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Unknown A
So when this starts, President Trump is actually quite warm to Vladimir Z. Lansky here. He was is right at the outset.
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Unknown B
Thank you very much. It's an honor to have President Zelenskyy of Ukraine. And we've been working very hard, very close. So we've actually known each other for a long time. We've been dealing with each other for a long time and very well. We had little negotiations spat, but that worked out great, I think for both countries, I think for the world, actually, beyond both countries. And we have something that is a very fair deal and we look forward to getting in and digging, digging, digging and working and getting some of the rare earth. But it means we're going to be inside and'it's a big commitment from the United States and we appreciate working with you very much and we will continue to do that. We have had some very good discussions with Russia. I spoke with President Putin, and we're going to try and bring this to a close.
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Unknown B
It's something that you want and that he wants. We'have to negotiate a deal, but we've started the confines of a deal and I think something can happen.
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Unknown A
So you can see from Zelenky's body language, he's immediately on his guard. Right? He's already very nervous. He's clearly not liking what he's hearing from Trump. But what Trump is saying here is extremely good for Zelenskyy. Zelensky came and oriented against Trump from the beginning. And you can see what Trump is saying here is he's looking for some sort of win. Right? That's all he says right from the beginning. We had a negotiation spap and that worked out great. And we're looking forward to getting in and digging, digging, digging, working, getting some of the rare earth. But it means we're gonna be inside and it's a big commitment from the United States. What is he saying there? What President Trump is saying there is we look forward to getting boots on the ground, digging things. And once we're there, it's sort of a tacit security guarantee.
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Unknown A
Now, Zelensky comes out fighting. Zelensky comes out and he's like in a security guarantee in the room, o which again, you understand why he wants it. He is the president of Ukraine. He does not want another negotiation that ends within two years, the Russians coming back in. However, these are negotiations that you save for the backroom. This is not stuff that you do in the front room. Why is he negotiating in the room with President Trump isn't rejecting a security guarantee out rightt Here Trump has said nothing about a security guarantee'zelensky who starts pushing him right out the gate.
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Unknown C
Thank you so much, Mr. President. Thank you for your invitation. And really I hope that this document, first document will be first step to real security guantees for Ukraine, our people, our children are really count on it. And of course we count that America will not stop support really for us it is very important to support and to continue. I want to discuss it with details for them during our conversation. And of course the infrastructure of security guarantees, because for today I understand what Europe is ready to do. And of course I want to discuss with you what the United States will be ready to do. And I really count on your strong position to stop Putin. And you said that enough with the war. I think that is very important be to say these wors to Putin at the very beginning, at the very beginning of war, because he is a killer and terrorist.
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Unknown C
But I hope that together we can stop him. But for us, it's very important to, you know, to save our country, our values, our freedom and democracy. And of course, no compromises with the killer about territories. But it will be later.
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Unknown A
Okay, now here's the thing. Trump could blow up at him at this point, but you're two minutes deep in the meeting. So what does Trump do? Like an adult President Trump sits there, he listens to Zelensky and he doesn't blow it up. He understands what Zelensky is saying. Zelensky is saying, I don't wanna make any compromises. Putin's a killer. I want security guarantees. I wanna work the Europeans into this. So he's having a negotiation in the room, in front of the press. So Zelensky is the one who starts this whole thing. And for 40 minutes, Trump allows him to do it. Why? Because that's what adult does. What an adult does is he says, listen, I understand that you gotta rant for the cameras, you gotta do your thing for the came. I get it. I totally get it. And in the back room, we're gonna negotiate what this actually looks like.
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Unknown A
And listen to how sober President Trump is here. I mean, it'an amazing thing. For the guy who's supposed to be the one flying off the handle in this meeting, it is not Trump who flies off the handle, it is Zelensky and then Vance who flies off the handle. So here is President Trump.
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Unknown B
I think once we make the agreement, that's going to be 95% of it. They're not going to go back to fighting. I've spoken with President Putin. And I think, I mean, I feel very strong. I've known them for a long time, and I feel very strongly that they're very serious about it and we'll make a deal. And when the deal is made, I don't think we talk about security. Everyone's talking about the other day. All they talked about was security. I said, let me make the deal first. I have to make the deal first.
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Unknown A
Okay, so what is he saying again? He's saying the same thing. When it comes to the economy, he's gonna make the deal first. And that is going to be the lever that allows for security guarantees. Right? That is what he is saying. Okay, this continues. This is clip five. So a reporter asks Zelensky if he feels like the United States is on the side of Ukraine at the moment. And President Trump's like, what are you even asking that for? I mean, clearly we are. I'm here with him. I'm signing a rare earth's minerals agreement with him. Like right now. Do you feel like the US Is.
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Unknown C
On your side, that the President Trump is on your side this at this moment?
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Unknown B
What do you think he wants to know? Do you think that s sort of a stupid question? I guess we wouldn't be here if I wasn't enough.
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Unknown C
But that I think that the United States on our side from the very beginning of occupation and I think that President Trump on our side and of course I not I'm sure that United States president will not stop support. This is crucial for us.
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Unknown A
Okay, so again, that Zelensky pushing. So Trump says of course'mine decide what we're gonna sign an agreement. All Trump launchs from this meeting is to get out of there with the rare earth minerals deal that is going to provide the lever for a broader American commitment or tacit American commitment to the security of Ukraine. That's what this is. And Zelensky keeps pushing because he feels like publicly he needs to push. I don't know if he thought that he was gonna get Trump to cave in the room or something, or if this is all virtue signaling for the cameras, or if he feels he needs to say this for his own people at home, or if this was all a sort of design to blow up the meeting in order to get the Europeans to step in. I'm not sure what Zelensky's strategy here was. All I know, it's a very, very bad strategy.
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Unknown B
I think you're gonna have to always make compromises. You can't do any deals without compromises. So certainly he's gonna have to make some compromises but hopefully they won't be as big as some people think you're going to have to make. That's all, that's all we can do. I'm here as a, as an arbitrator, as a mediator to a certain extent between two parties that have been very hostile.
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Unknown A
Now you can see a fundamental difference between Trump and Zelenky here. Zelensky think that the United States is full fledged on the side of Ukraine in terms of this negotiation. Meaning they should like Biden just pour in aid without any sort of end, without any sort of designs to end the war. And Trump says, listen, I got aa broker a deal. I want the deal. Now we'll talk about the ramifications of the meeting and how actually one of the things that the Trump administration might think about doing and President Trump had said during that campaign pretty clearly is state Vladimir Putin listen, we want a deal. You know, wen a deal. We've been very obvious about how we wanna deal. I've been giving you all sorts of props in public. If you don't make a deal, then we're gonna ratchet up support because we can't just let you win by default.
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Unknown A
Right, but that's not actually the approach that the Trump is taking and that's arguable. But again in the meeting so far, Trump is the person who's being mature and Zelensky is the person, as I say over and over again, you can hear him being combative. This is for 40 minutes now. One of these sort of hot moments happened when one of the report is a guy from one American news network. I believe this reporter happens to be Dane Marjorie Taylor Greene, the congresswoman from Georgia and asks Zelensky about wearing a suit.
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Unknown C
Why don't you wear a suit?
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Unknown B
To wear suit. Suit.
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Unknown C
Ye problems.
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Unknown A
A lot Americans have problems with you.
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Unknown C
Really? I don't have such I will wear costume after this war will finish. Yes, maybe. Maybe something like yours. Yes, maybe something better. I don't know. We will see. Maybe something cheaper than yeahk you. Thank you.
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Unknown A
Okay, now back to sort of the real issue of the day. President Trump is asked about security agreements and he's saying the thing over and over. He's basically offering Zelenky offerm like here's the rare earth minerals deal, let's sign it. We're on side. That is the way we get involved. Here he is.
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Unknown B
I don't want to talk about security yet because I want to get the deal done. You know, you fall into the same trap like everybody else a million times. You said over and over I want to get the deal done. Security is so easy. That's about 2% of the problem. I'm not worried about security. I'm worried about getting the deal done. The security is the easy part. Security is very nice. Everybody stoped shooting and now will Europe put people there? I know France is going to. I know the UK is going to. I know other countries are going to and they happen to be right next door. We haven't committed, but we could conceivably, you know, we have security in a different form.
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Unknown A
Okay. He's right there. Giving Zelensky what he wants is where Zelensky should say, okay, great, Mr. President, we'll talk about the pine closed doors. And he doesn't. Right. Trump said these words, quote, we haven't committed, but we could conceivably, you know, we have security in a different form. He's giving Zelensky what he wants. He's giving him the excuse. But Zelensky can't take the W. He can't take the. So Zelensky keeps pushing.
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Unknown C
Yeah, so please, about security guarantees and about just ceasefire. We can't just speak about ceasefire and speak and speak. It will not work. Just Ceisfire will not never work. Because I'm like a president. I have this experience, and not only me, Ukraine before. Before my presidency from the 2014. Putin broken 25 times. 25 times he broken his own signature. 25 times he broken ceasef fire.
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Unknown A
Okay, so again, you can see Zelensky is saying that Putin can't be trusted. This is why we need secure. And again, I don't think that Zelensky is wrong about this per se. But why is he negotiating all of this? He's not gonna get what he wants in the room.