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Unknown A
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Unknown B
Hello. I'm good, and you? My name is Laya and I've recently watched three videos of yours. Best top 10 Charlie Kirk debate moments of 2024 Students enraged that I say College of the scam and 10 unforgettable Charlie Kirk debates that shook 2024. And I picked three different topics that I think are important to me which comes down to immigration, affirmative action, NDI and college as a scam. But the one I want to talk to you about the most is affirmative action and dei. And in these videos you have said, quote for quote, white males have high test scores. White males have or white males shouldn't have to be penalized. You did acknowledge and say that people have come from lower socioeconomic backgrounds that do not prioritize education much. But instead of making a suggestion on how to help those communities and continue to like build those communities up, you continue to say that our institutions are becoming less excellent.
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Unknown B
And I'm confused as what your definition of excellence is. Is that because white males aren't necessarily in your opinion getting accepted as an a higher rate even though they technically are because 41% of college admitted students.
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Unknown A
Are of the white it should be higher than that.
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Unknown B
Y Based on what? Where are you getting the statistics? I just want to.
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Unknown A
It's a good question. The Supreme Court did a whole case on this and it ruled against affirmative action and we saw the books of Harvard.
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Unknown B
So I don't want to cut you off. May I know the so like for future reference I can understand where you're coming from and get more context. Could I know the Supreme Court case?
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Unknown A
Yeah, so it's the name boy 2 1/2 years ago. I think it was something out of California. Someone look it up. You could use graw or check if.
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Unknown B
Somebody you could please look that up for me.
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Unknown A
So we saw that. We saw the data out of Harvard. Harvard was the test case and effectively I'm approximating. But a white male had to get about a 30% higher test score to even be considered than an equivalent black student.
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Unknown B
And when Was this?
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Unknown A
Over 30 years? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I think so. So it was. So basically for a black student they could do 30% worse on their standardized scores than a equivalent.
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Unknown B
Don't think that has any outside factors to do with it.
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Unknown A
Well, that's not the point. The point is whether not.
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Unknown B
But how is that not the point?
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Unknown A
I don't believe we should accommodate based on outside factors. You do.
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Unknown B
Well, I do because I believe in progression. And I feel like you have stated in multiple of your videos which I do have a quote.
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Unknown A
Fair enough. I'm just making sure we understand. We disagree. I don't think we should change the rules of the game to accommodate.
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Unknown B
What were the rules of the game?
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Unknown A
Well, the rules of the game are that you should be treated fairly and equally. Right?
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Unknown B
For sure.
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Unknown A
That's an American principle and I agree with that completely. It so therefore a white male should not be treated differently than a black male.
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Unknown B
But when you come from a different doesn't matter. But what.
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Unknown A
But equal treatment or not, it's not whether or not you were segment mean things and you grew up or whether your dad is a gang banr doesn't matter.
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Unknown B
Well, I'm not saying that that is. That's not the outside factors I'm talking about.
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Unknown A
It doesn't matter. Outside factors are. But canain where'm but understand the finish I'll let you talk o equal treatment is regardless of any sort of sob story you could put on before it. Equal treatment test score. Test score.
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Unknown B
And I completely agree with that. But I also come from a predominantly white town so I understand what what you're trying to say. In my district we have so much funding and I live in the floor key so there's a lot of funding that comes to my school and you can drive 30 miles north and you end up in homestead where they have a fraction of the funding that we have and they don't have as much of the same tests like testing instructors and people to help them and have as much of the same outside resources and then you can keep going another 30 miles and you end up in Miami where all the private schools are and they get even more funding than where I come from and they. And not that I use obviously I ended up where I am today because I continue to push through and I have and I didn't let any outside factors affect me.
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Unknown B
But at the End of the day I kept going. And some people don't have that same ability. And I also.
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Unknown A
It doesn't again, first of all, in Florida, every public school get the same amount of money. Okay. That's. There's, there's an equal funding.
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Unknown B
Yeah.
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Unknown A
Across the board.
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Unknown B
But also get donations from the people in your community.
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Unknown A
Enough. But Florida.
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Unknown B
And I know for a fact that my community many donations.
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Unknown A
Florida has the most. You could use equitable funding structure of any school and as universal school choice. Basically. So that's number one. Number two, explain to me why when we're admitting people for a job, should it just be what's on that piece of paper or should. Should race play into the factor?
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Unknown B
So I know that your argument is mediocrity. I forgot, I don't.
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Unknown A
Mediocrity.
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Unknown B
Okay. Yeah. And I know that. And I also believe in quotas as well. But I don't think that it should be one and one. But they should go hand in hand because at the end of the day, if I have just as good as a resume as somebody next to me, I want to, I want to understand where you're getting that jobs are just taking people because they're a woman, because they are black. I just want to see. And I understand what you're trying to say because of. Of course with affirmative action and di that does give them an upper hand. But where does it say that you take somebody just because of that color.
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Unknown A
All the place Capitol Street Partners back in the summer 2022 said that they will not hire white men for internships. That's one example of thousands I.
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Unknown B
Because of how many people are in there. How many people in they wanted to be.
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Unknown A
Again, that's irrelevant. It does not matter if you have an internship and everyone is a white man. If they're all qualified, that's great. Doesn they're all Asian or all black. It should be what merit qualification gets the people in that position.
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Unknown B
And of course. But if, but if this saya school only wanted white people good like excellent.
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Unknown A
Qualified people and if they end up majority white, who cares? Why does that matter?
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Unknown B
I don't think that that matters. I'm saying that affirmative action. I'm saying that. But I'm not saying for a white male or to black race or to Asian race or to any race or you understand. I'm saying, I'm saying that. I'm saying that it works in favor for any race and any sex. It works and it does 1000%. And I don't understand.
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Unknown A
You're getting that information, it is anti white racism that was in the fiber of our laws that is now getting away thanks to President Donald Trump, where if you were a white man, especially to apply for internships, jobs going to college, that it was significantly harder to get those jobs, to get into those practices because there were quotas that made it easier for people, other skin colors with lower standards to be able to get those positions. We agree. There's only so many slots in a college. Right. There's only so many positions and an internship, there's only. It's a limited supply.
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Unknown B
Completely agree.
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Unknown A
It is scarcity. So in scarce. When you have a scarce resource, you have to decide how you're gon toa divvy up that scarce resource.
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Unknown B
For sure.
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Unknown A
In a DEI model, they're gonna say, okay, we're not gonna do any more than 30% white and then we'll do 15%. And so you kind of come up with these quotas. Therefore they end up saying, well, what happens if the 15% black is not qualified? They don't care. Which ends up happening far too often or what happens if the.
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Unknown B
Can you give me examples of cases?
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Unknown A
Yeah. Air traffic control is actually a really good example. We now have all the documents that show that we went on a hiring spree to have more black air traffic controllers. There's a huge lawsuit about this 15, 16, 17 where the standards for air traffic control drops so dramatically. And you're kind of seeing some of the effects of that potentially. And it's in almost every single corporate practice, every single college institution. But it just kind of comes down to more of a moral argument that I have, which is that if you have something based on merit, I wantn. I don't care if it's all black, all Asian, all white. It's an excellent group is what I want. Not a diverse group. I care about excellence, not diversity because I do not believe diversity is a strength. I believe unity is a strength. I believe the pursuit of higher purposes is a strength. That make sense.
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Unknown B
Yeah, I do understand where you're coming from. I feel like I do agree with some of the things that you did just say and I may have to do some more research on the things that you said before, but I guess we can agree to disagree for your time being. Thank you for your time.
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Unknown A
I appreciate it. Thank you very much.