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Unknown A
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Unknown B
Nice to meet you, Charlie. I'm a big fan. I think you're a very beautiful man. I admire you physically, but. No. No homo. No homo. No homo. I did have a question. Something I don't find very interesting about you, something I find kind of repulsive, is that I believe you said that the Civil Rights act was bad and that we shouldn't have that.
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Unknown A
Okay, thank you.
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Unknown B
I appreciate that. I don't like you as much as Charlie, though.
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Unknown A
First of all, what's your name?
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Unknown B
Oh. Oh, sorry. I don't want to be like filmed and stuff. I'm anonymous, number one anonymous guy.
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Unknown A
Okay. Well, hello. Nice to meet you, anonymous guy.
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Unknown B
Thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you, too.
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Unknown A
Yeah, I believe in part of the essence of the Civil Rights act went way too far, way too wide.
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Unknown B
Oh, how'd it go too far?
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Unknown A
Well, for example, it created an entire civil rights leviathan that gave us affirmative action.
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Unknown B
Civil rights leviathan? What do you mean?
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Unknown A
Yes, if you can let me finish. Three words in. It allowed the Department of Justice to go after people that have different skin color, AKA white people, and prevent them from getting jobs in college admissions.
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Unknown B
You have a job?
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Unknown A
I'm sorry?
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Unknown B
You have a job.
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Unknown A
No, you're right, I do. Right. But just until Trump came around. Until these Supreme Court decision. Thanks to the Civil Rights act, if you have white skin color, it's much harder to get into a college than if someone has black skin color. Much harder. You have to get higher test scores. It's a much harder pool, largely thanks to the precedent set by the Civil Rights act, not to mention all the trans stuff. And they use the Civil Rights act to justify it.
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Unknown B
Okay, I think I see where you're coming from. So you think that it's harder for white people because black people, they have. They could have lower tax scores.
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Unknown A
Again, it's not what I think.
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Unknown B
It's the fact that's what you're saying. Okay. All Right. Well. Well, I guess what I would say, too, I think perhaps you're familiar with the term equity, right? Where different people have different circumstances.
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Unknown A
It's. I reject.
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Unknown B
Okay. Okay. Well, whether you reject it or not, I think it's a. A prescient concept in. In this argument, because what you have to understand is that when you, for example, you're born in, like, a black neighbor, you're born like O block or something. Like a very, very. Like a. You don't know O block is. Oh, well, if you're. If you're. If you're born there, if you're born in a very poor area like that with, like, very low economic activity, very, very poor schools are very low ratings where the average test score is much lower. When you're in that environment, you have the whole system up against you. Right. So when you say in that kind of circumstance, when you're facing the whole, I guess, leviathan of systemic racism, don't you say that? Sorry, let me just finish. When you say it's fair to, for example, lower the standard because knowing that their circumstances were like that, perhaps based on what they had, was presented to them, they had the correct amount of merit to get into a school.
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Unknown A
Okay, so are you a student here? I'm guessing you are.
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Unknown B
Oh, yeah, I'm sitting here.
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Unknown A
Are you pretty good student?
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Unknown B
Oh, yeah, I would say I'm a good student. I have a pretty high gpa.
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Unknown A
Can you give your GPA to her because she's a woman of color, please?
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Unknown B
Oh, well, you want me to give you a. I mean, I can.
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Unknown A
Would you be willing to do that? I want.
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Unknown B
Sure.
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Unknown A
Yeah, you'd be good. You cool with that?
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Unknown B
Yeah, I'm fine.
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Unknown A
Wait, I want you to tell her or like, no, by force swapping. Let me tell what I'm gonna do by force, white man. Okay, I'm gonna take your gpa. I'm gonna give it to a woman of color.
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Unknown B
Okay.
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Unknown A
You're cool with that?
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Unknown B
I mean, yeah, I can just work back up.
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Unknown A
Like, I know there's no working back up.
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Unknown B
I can put myself up on my bootstraps.
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Unknown A
No, there's no working back up.
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Unknown B
What do you mean you can't work back up? That's the whole point of conservatism.
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Unknown A
I'm gonna keep you because that's equity. And you're cool with that.
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Unknown B
What? But that's not.
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Unknown A
This is equity in practice.
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Unknown B
Equity isn't taken. Equity is giving. Applying the equal standard.
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Unknown A
If you give, how do you get. You must take, and then you get.
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Unknown B
Wait, what do you mean?
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Unknown A
That which is given must first be taken.
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Unknown B
Well, what's being taken?
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Unknown A
Well, in this case, grades from you to grades to her.
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Unknown B
That's. No one's taking my grades, though. That's not what. That's not what. Affirmative action.
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Unknown A
Hold on.
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Unknown B
No one takes your grades.
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Unknown A
Hold on a second. If you only have so many, you only have so many positions at University of South Florida to come in, right? There's a set number. Let's say it's 20,000 people, okay? And we're going to say we're going to lower the test standards so that somebody that's a woman of color can come in and therefore it's harder for you. So it's a higher bar for you, Lower bar for them. Definitionally, that's a redistribution of test scores to somebody else just by the definition. And you're okay with that?
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Unknown B
Well, I guess I would ask then, if we were to do what you're doing. I guess that's what's happening under Trump, right?
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Unknown A
Well, no, it's actually been happening the last 40 years.
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Unknown B
Okay. Actually, yeah, whatever. Okay. So when you say that, if you do that, then, well, black people aren't going to get into school and then they won't be able to uplift themselves. They won't be to have prosperous families. They won't be able to, you know, equalize the economic status because you need to give them a little jump start, you know, you have a car, right?
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Unknown A
How is that? How is that? Well, no, now I know you are.
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Unknown B
No, no, no, no, no, that's good. But.
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Unknown A
No, how has that worked? The last 40 years, we've had robust affirmative action. We've had hiring practices. Has it made black America more successful?
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Unknown B
I can answer that easily. It's because. Oh, sorry. It's because. Sorry, what am I going for?
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Unknown A
I don't know.
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Unknown B
You're a funny guy. So what happened is even after the Civil Rights act, you understood. You know what I believe? I believe the term is massive resistance. It was a movement in. After the broad versus Board of Education in Virginia, where essentially the legislature, which was still white supremacists, which is still extremely racist, they decide that, no, we're going to do everything that feasibly possible within our means to stop black people from going to white schools. You even see this? In was, I believe it was the Little Rock Nine, right. Even after it was legalized at the state level, white supremacist mobs still mobilized to prevent it. So even if it, de facto, it's gone. Did Your it still exist.
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Unknown A
Let me ask you a very simple question, a term you keep on throwing around.
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Unknown B
Got you.
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Unknown A
What is racism?
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Unknown B
What is racism? That's a very complicated question, but no, it's not. I mean, there's a simple answer and then there's the highly theoretical answer.
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Unknown A
Give me the simple.
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Unknown B
The simple answer will essentially be because. Because we have, like, different skin colors, that he's treated a different way than me. He has, like, a different upbringing than me.
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Unknown A
No, no, no. But what is racism?
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Unknown B
Oh, it's discrimination based on the color. Based on the color of the skin.
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Unknown A
Got it. Thank you. So isn't it racist then, to then penalize white people to come into college or to get jobs based on the color of their skin? Wouldn't that be racist? So you're arguing for a very racist policy, which is that we should actively discriminate against people based on the color of their skin, which is affirmative action and DEI in practice.
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Unknown B
I just don't. I just disagree with the premise that you can do, like, anti white racism. Because. Because.
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Unknown A
Wait, can you be racist against white people?
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Unknown B
No, bro. I'm a cracker, bro. What the. No, you can't be racist, bro. There's so many crackers here, bro. There's your clip, bro. There's your clip. Well, what are you gonna. You're gonna do political violence to me, bro? Like, why are you saying that to me? You're making me scared.
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Unknown A
So let me tell you what we believe, because you tell us what you believe. Your worldview is indistinguishable from the kkk. That you want. That you want to organize the world based on skin color. We want to organize the world based on merit and character, based on how hard you work, what you bring to the table. I believe it's destructive and wrong to say that people are going to be organized or have their future set based on the color of their skin. I think it's tribalistic. I think it is divisive, and I think it hurts the excellence of a country. You asked a question. Well, how are we going to help other communities? You know how you help other communities? Stop pandering to them and start treating them like individuals made in the image of God, not tribes to be organized for political purposes.
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Unknown B
Okay, so do you think, like, when Trump is a now nice president, now that racism is gone now because Trump is back, we're no longer pandering? Right. Do you think that the conditions of black people have, like, do you think O Block is going to become, like, a much nicer place do you think that, do you think that these are very downturned, sort of black neighborhoods that have been sort of left behind? Do you think they're going to become revitalized now? Is that what you think is going to happen?
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Unknown A
Yeah, they'll do better for sure.
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Unknown B
You think they do better now we've stopped helping them? They're going to do better.
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Unknown A
Well, see, that's an interesting thing because.
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Unknown B
That seems like contradictory to me. Just basic logic.
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Unknown A
Well, actually, black Americans under Donald Trump in the first term saw the greatest economic renaissance that they saw since the 1950s. Highest Obama, lowest unemployment, revitalization, amazing investment in their communities, opportunity zones.
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Unknown B
But that's when we had affirmative action. Might that be bad?
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Unknown A
Well, again, we actually get rid of affirmative action now.
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Unknown B
I'm talking about before.
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Unknown A
Those are unrelated things though.
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Unknown B
Just, they don't seem unrelated to me. Well, affirmative action policy, addressing racism.
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Unknown A
Affirmative action is again, so.
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Unknown B
I'm sorry, I don't mean to interrupt you.
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Unknown A
No, you are. That's okay.
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Unknown B
I'm sorry.
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Unknown A
Affirmative action is largely federal government hiring practices and the adjacent institutions. I think that all communities will do even better when we stop living under the soft bigotry of low expectations. Inherent in your argument is that we have to pander to certain communities based on the color their skin because they can't do as well as white people. I reject the premise. I think that we should try to say I don't care about the color of your skin, I care about what you bring to the table. And stop pandering to people based on special criteria, points and acceptance to college, saying that we're going to make it easier for one group and harder for another group.
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Unknown B
I don't think it's pandering though. I think it's understanding. Okay, but like understanding circumstances, you're working based on that.
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Unknown A
Do you think that we should have black only dormitories in America?
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Unknown B
No, why would I want that?
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Unknown A
Okay, well, there's hundreds of schools that have those actually.
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Unknown B
And you say black only. Like people are not allowed in.
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Unknown A
White people are not allowed.
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Unknown B
White people. Yeah, that's why I said white people are not allowed.
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Unknown A
Correct. We have black only graduation ceremonies across the country.
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Unknown B
Well, those are from. Well, I believe those are Most likely like HBCUs. Right.
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Unknown A
Like the University of Michigan has one, Harvard has one. So we're agreeing that that is wrong. That is the furthest extension of hyper race obsession. So you have to, you can, you could choose one or the other. You can be race obsessed or merit obsessed. We as conservatives decide to Be merit obsessed. To build a country based on how hard you work and what you're able to deliver.
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Unknown B
Okay, well, so wait here, just. I was.
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Unknown A
Final point.
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Unknown B
Okay, Final point. Sure. Okay. This thing's a little close. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to offend your wonderful setup here. Yeah. So I guess I'll just restate my point that I don't believe. You mentioned like all black dormitories. Right. I mean, I don't really comment on that. I mean, I don't know if that's real. To me that sounds fake, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here.
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Unknown A
It's very real.
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Unknown B
Okay. But I just think it's very irrelevant, kind of like aesthetic focused thing. It doesn't really affect the material conditions of like if you heard there were.
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Unknown A
White only dormitories, there'd be marching in the streets, Right?
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Unknown B
Oh, well, because.
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Unknown A
Okay, that's the difference.
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Unknown B
The difference is like for example, if you want to go back to segregation, the all white dormitory was nice as an all black one was. So if that's the. If that's. If that was brought back. Okay, if we were to do all white dormitory and all white dogs, I'm not recommending it.
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Unknown A
I think actually segregation is wrong and evil and we're heading until Donald Trump. We were heading in that direction until.
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Unknown B
But like. Okay, I'll go back because I did I let slip by. But you mentioned that like in the early years of the Donald Trump presidency. Right. That the conditions with employment and stuff were going up for black people. What I would say is the economy works slow, works like a time dilation for policies initially enacted. So what I would. I would probably assume based on what you said to me, is that it was the Obama era policies that actually led to that and not the Trump policies. Because stuff like tax cuts doesn't really.
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Unknown A
Help in a year from now. We're the greatest economy ever. They're say it's all Biden. It's all Biden.
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Unknown B
Well, I mean, if we. I don't think that's going to happen. I personally think the economy is going to sh. With what all Elon Musk is doing. But if that, if that was to happen, I mean, I guess my whole worldview, but I'm pretty sure.
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Unknown A
What about. What about Elon? What Elon's doing bothers you? Do you not want to see the government efficient?
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Unknown B
The government is efficient. He's just firing everybody. Looks like he did to Twitter. But y'all see what happened. The Twitter brat's racist as now he's in the Nazi haven. It went from like a pretty, pretty accepting place to like what, like where like the average blue check mark is saying Hail Hitler. Like Elon Musk himself has replied to like, well he did the Nazi salute. Like we're not going to forget about that, are we?
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Unknown A
No, he did.
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Unknown B
What do you mean? Y'all didn't see that clip, right? Y'all didn't see where they did that?
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Unknown A
All right.
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Unknown B
Oh, okay.
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Unknown A
Thank and by the way, I just want to thank you for something.
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Unknown B
You're welcome.
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Unknown A
Well, I want to thank you.
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Unknown B
Do I get, do I get a portion of like the TikTok revenue you get from this?
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Unknown A
I want to thank you, I want to thank you for something. Oh yeah, you, you are a perfect reminder why we won in November. So thank you for that. I really appreciate it.
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Unknown B
Thank.