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Unknown A
The new line from MAGA is that they will not even acknowledge that Russia started the war, that Russia is the aggressor that Russia invaded. This is all happening in a context where MAGA is increasingly deferential to Vladimir Putin. This is happening in a world where it seems as though the Trump administration is going to give Vladimir Putin everything he wants. New territory that he took by force, keeping Ukraine out of NATO, on and on and on. And this is also happening in a world where we do not have a shared basis in fact from which we can have conversations about what's going on. Now, I will tell you in a moment why they are so dead set against simply acknowledging, yeah, Vladimir Putin invaded, Russia's the aggressor. I'll explain it in a moment. Here is Secretary of Defense Gag Pete Hegeth asked, can we just say Russia attacked? And he says, no, no, no, it's.
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Unknown B
More complicatedky should come to the table because this economic partnership is an important thing for the future of his country, and we hope that he will very soonaker one.
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Unknown A
But fair to say Russia attacked unprovoked into Ukraine three years ago tomorrow.
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Unknown B
Fair to say it's a very complicated situation.
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Unknown C
Speake.
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Unknown A
He won't acknowledge it. He won't acknowledge it. Now. Why won't he acknowledge it? Oh, because they're Russian tools. No, that's not what I mean. There is a deeper reason why they won't acknowledge it, and I will tell you in a moment. Here is Mike Waltz asked essentially the same question by Maria Barteron, more territory. Can you acknowledge that Russia is the aggressor here?
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Unknown C
Well, you know what? Who would you rather have and go toe to toe with the likes of Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong, Un, Shei, or whom? Anyone else? Joe Biden or Donald Trump? He's the deal maker in chief. He's the commander in chief.
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Unknown A
Not an answer. Not. The question was not who do you want negotiating? The question was, is Russia the aggressor? Here is Peter Doucey asking Mike Waltz the same question. Who's more responsible? Is it Putin or is it Zelenky? Simple question to answer for normal, honest people. Who does he think is more responsible.
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Unknown D
For the Russian invasion of Ukraine, Putin or Zelenky?
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Unknown C
Well, look, his, his goal, Peter, is.
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Unknown B
To bring this war to an end, period.
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Unknown C
And there has been ongoing fighting on both sides.
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Unknown A
It is one. All right, I'm not even going to insult you with the rest of this fighting on both sides. The goal is, of course, to end the war. Not an answer. And then finally, along These same lines, Kristen Welker asking Senator Mark Wayne Muln, do you acknowledge that Putin is responsible for starting the war? You can still say he's responsible, but I like him, as Trump likes to say, or he's responsible but he's cool, right, whatever. But they won't even acnowledge that. Senator Muln, do you acknowledge that Vladimir Putin is responsible for starting the war in Ukraine?
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Unknown D
You know, I think what President Trump was mean to not think I know what he was mean is we gave Zeleinssky multiple warnings that there needed to be negotiations before the war even started. And President Trump is absolutely correct. If he was in office, this war would have never, ever taken it.
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Unknown A
Speaker Onek so the real problem is Joe Biden, according to Mark Wayne Muln, why is it that they are so hesitant to just acknowledge Putin started the war, Russia started the war. It might be easy to say it's just because they love Putin, but it's, it's, they probably do. But it's more than that. They all know that implicit in answering yes, Russia invaded it would be that their approach to the negotiation and their approach to who has to give up what and who has to make concessions wouldn't make any sense. When they are asked what is Russia going to give up in all of this because Ukraine is s going to be asked to give a land, it seems Ukraine'going to be told in part of ending this will be no NATO membership. Ukraine's going to be told the money is going to stop, which is really military equipment.
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Unknown A
What will Russia give up? And they don't. Russia doesn't really have to give up anything. They go, Russia has already given up. They've lost people. Yes, they've lost people because of a war they started. They all know implicitly that if you acknowledge Putin started the war, period, their entire approach to who needs to give up what doesn't make any sense. Now, you know the approach doesn't make any sense and I know that. But they are trying to maintain some kind of plausible deniability with your average MAGA voter who seems sort of like, I don't know, I mean, everybody should get along. Let's just, let's everybody agree to end it. Let's divide up the territory that Russia already took illegally. Right? So a lot of this is they all know if they acknowledge Putin's the aggressor, period, they now are in a position of having to defend the indefensible with regard to their approach.
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Unknown A
Simple question, did Putin invade? They don't want to answer it. Well, I wrote a book.
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Unknown E
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Unknown E
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