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Unknown A
Let me ask you a very simple question. How much fraud has Elon Musk and Donald Trump's Doge found so far? Is it $100,000 in fraud? Is it a million? Is it 10 million? Is it a billion or $10 billion in fraud? Are we getting anywhere close to the $2 trillion that they said they would find in fraud and inefficiencies? The answer is they have found zero fraud thus far. Aaron Rupar wrote a great piece about this on his substack Public Notice where he goes through and he explains that they are using all sorts of different vague and squishy terminology. They are calling things fraud, but they have not actually found a single dollar of fraud so far. Despite the hype, not a single fraud program or incident has been discovered. Now, instead of finding fraud, it is true that Doge has focused on dismantling federal agencies, canceling programs, threatening employees with firings or layoffs, demanding federal employees write a to do list of what they worked on if they want to keep their job, especially if you're not loyal to Trump.
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Unknown A
We could look at the Department of Transportation, FAA lawyers understaffing national parks, firing inspectors general, but they have not found any fraud whatsoever. They also say that they have saved a ton of money by canceling contracts. That's probably also a lie. Only a fraction of the dollars they've said they say they've saved are actually accounted for. Some of the savings are simply contracts that have already been paid that they won't be doing again. But that's not really a savings. A lot of those were one off contracts. Now, in order to try to contend with the fact that they are not really finding any fraud, Last week, or maybe it was the week before, I played a clip for you where Donald Trump's deranged and delusional and extraordinarily dilapidated press Secretary Caroline Levitt was asked by a reporter, what about this as fraud? Aren't these just policies Trump doesn't like?
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Unknown A
And she didn't actually have an answer. So in order to try to remedy this, they're coming up with new words, new phrases. And one that Fox News propagandaist Sean Hannity came up with is wrongful spending. Now, let me define wrongful spending for you. Not fraud. Not fraud. Here's Hannity.
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Unknown B
Now, of course, Doge is rooting out waste, fraud, abuse, corruption all across the federal government. They've already recovered billions and billions of wrongful spending while reducing the size of government. And liberals now are screaming into the void.
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Unknown A
And so a couple of things here. First, of all, no money has been recovered. Just nothing. Nothing has been recovered.
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Unknown C
That.
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Unknown A
And it's funny because Hanity's going even further recovered. We're talking about canceling future spending. What are you talking about? We've recovered money. And then the thing that crlroll crawls up the screen is nonsense, right? I mean, these contracts that have been terminated, not a single one with evidence of fraud. Individuals that have been terminated, it's not fraud. Trump might say we want fewer employees, we want to save money in the future, but it's not fraud. And you're not recovering any money. Now. When Trump was asked about it, he came up with this very vague thing.
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Unknown B
So they signed a contract and a government agency and it has three months and the guy leaves that signed the contract and nobody else is there. And they pay the contract for 10 years. Yeah. So the guy is getting checks for years and years and years. And he's telling his family, obviously maybe it was crooked, may be paid to get the contract or maybe paid that they didn't terminate.
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Unknown A
But a lot of maybe here. Speake.
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Unknown B
You know, we have contracts that go forever and they've been going for years, and they're supposed to end in three months or five months or two years or something, and they go forever. So the guy is either crooked, you know, where he knew this was going to happen, or he's crooked because he's getting payments and he knows he shouldn't getting. But they're finding things like thataker1 now.
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Unknown A
Of course, nothing like that has been found. Nothing has been found. Is it true that some contracts get renewed? Yes, that's true. Is it true that over time the need for certain services may change? And of course, of course, but that's not fraud. And hilariously, and this is kind of when I knew that they realized they've got nothing. Peter Alexander asked Caroline Levitt whether any of it is actual fraud. Like, is there. There's a lot of stuff you're pointing to papers and contracts, but is anything actual fraud, legally speaking? And Caroline Levittt said that that's clever.
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Unknown D
Fraud, of course, is a crime. So have you turned over evidence of fraud to the Justice Department? And when should we expect to see those indictments?
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Unknown E
It's a clever question. There has been extensive fraud, particularly if you look at Social Security. In fact, according to an I report from the Social Security administration, there was $71 billion worth of fraud in one single fiscal year that we know about.
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Unknown D
To be clear, that $71 billion was from 2015 to 2022. So it wasn't in just one year.
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Unknown A
Speake. It's clever now to say fraud is a crime. If there's really fraud, that means there's criminality. Shouldn't it be prosecuted? And she goes, oh that's so cute. That's so clever. Peter. Until they show us evidence of any of this stuff, I would wait to believe it. Do I think there is no fraud in government contracts? No, I believe there is some fraud in government contracts. Any large organization, be it for profit or governmental, you're going to find some fraud. The bigger it gets, the more fraud in theory you're going to find. Is it materially relevant to the point of saying we need an unelected bureaucrat to start slashing randomly and emailing employees and saying justify your job to me. It's not the way to find the actual fraud. We have systems in place. And you know what? If you better wanted to be able to find the fraud, maybe don't fire the inspectors general who could actually be there to figure out what really happened.
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Unknown A
Where have there been crimes and make sure that they are dealt with appropriately. These people are pathetic. I will believe that there is fraud when they actually give us the proof.
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Unknown C
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Unknown A
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