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Unknown A
Putin says Russia is open for business. In the world's weirdest auction video supposedly showing Ukrainian men being kidnapped and sent to the frontline surface on X. Elon refuses to tell Rogan the main method of governmental corruption because he fears for his life. Trump teases the crypto strategic reserve. AOC says illegal immigrants are her constituents, sort of. While helping people dodge ice. SpaceX has another incredible launch. Hasan Abi gets a tent ban on Twitch for a red hot take. Kaisana goes viral for Trash Talking PewDiePie and the Oscars. Well, they happened. Drew, we've got some really fun stuff to talk about today in the show, but we do have to start with the really consequential stuff. I'm sensitive to being a native machine factory. Like, I do worry about that. Uh, but the reality is we're living in a super weird moment where my weekend was spent with.
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Unknown A
It was spent with those X videos of people getting snatched off the street. Now I want to be very clear, I cannot confirm that that's what's going on, but we can confirm the Putin stuff and I want to talk about both. So take us there, let's go with it.
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Unknown B
So pulling up a video right now, allegedly this is their recruitment tactic for Ukraine because they are so down soldiers that any young men of drafting age is getting grabbed up off the street. So as you can see from the video, he was walking his dog, two soldiers jumped out and pretty much chased him.
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Unknown A
And again, like, guys, please, somebody in the comments if this is like a four year old video or something, but I saw a bunch of these going around on X this weekend. I could not verify by reading the comments that they're fake. So yeah, but if anybody, and I mean they're getting views and there were, I saw several of them.
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Unknown B
But like, do you honestly want that person fighting for your country? Because I feel like that they become more of a liability than like a.
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Unknown A
As you would think. But there is a long history of forced conscription. So this is one of those. You put people in a situation where it's fight or die and they will fight. Sun Tzu doesn't use these words, but he's got a concept that has been articulated as deathground that you don't want to put people on deathground where their only option is to fight because they will fight. And so if you put somebody in a situation where if you try to desert will kill you and if you face the enemy, you better win or they'll kill you. Now all of a sudden your only real option is to Fight and to win. This is the whole idea of like burning the ships to the shore. But even in like the Revolutionary War, man, they would kill people for deserting the army. So you don't want to play around.
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Unknown A
Like it's. This is where I would love to have a show where these kind of things weren't happening. And I don't feel compelled in my soul to discuss this stuff. But the reality is this is happening right now. And the reason that this really matters to me is that I keep running the thought experiment of what if it were China invading California and they show up and they're in Los Angeles and now I've really got to deal with it because this is easy when it's, you know, a really long way away to be like, oh, it doesn't really matter. Politics doesn't affect my day to day life. Which I think for the first time in a long time, people gotta feel like that just isn't true. Like the rate of change that the Trump administration is bringing in, the only time it's ever been even remotely paralleled was fdr.
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Unknown A
And so the rate of change right now is extremely rapid. It's extremely consequential what's happening, good, bad or indifferent. Like change is upon us. And because the world order is changing and I think it's going to have extremely consequential impact over the next. I mean, it's all gets complicated by AI and robotics, but in a normal timeline, over the Next, call it 30 years, this would be a moment of dramatic upheaval. Now, we don't have anything specific to show people right now, but I've been hearing whispers about China's doing like really provocative testing. They didn't know. Notify anybody, guys. As more information comes out, we'll cover this in depth. But they're like cutting fiber cables that lead to Taiwan. They're doing supposedly training exercises to be provocative. So it's like we're living in this really precarious moment right now where you had this utter breakdown of negotiations between Trump and Zelensky on Friday.
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Unknown A
I mean, that was fireworks and a half. And now you're getting Putin calling out to people saying, hey, we're open for business on minerals. We have way more minerals than the Ukraine. Oh, and I keep calling like new territories. Like there's a ton in our new territories that we are, we have, we have a clip. We should probably just play that clip of Putin talking about this. But you put that together with seeing these men being forcibly conscripted, which is euphemism for kidnapped and drugged to the front lines. And this moment is just weird, right? This is Putin in his own words here. We would be open to cooperation with our American partners. And when I say partners, I mean not only administrative and governmental agencies, but also private companies if they show interest in working together. Russia possesses significantly, I want to stress this significantly larger resources of this kind than Ukraine.
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Unknown A
Russia is one of the uncontested leaders when it comes to rare and rare earth metal reserves. We have deposits in the north, and he's going to list a bunch of places in Russia that I won't butcher, as well as the Far East. In another place region, more regions. Developing these resources requires substantial capital investment. We would be happy to cooperate with any foreign partners, including American companies. Yes. By the way, same is true for the new territories. We are open to foreign partnerships, so called new or historical territories that have become part of the Russian Federation again, also hold certain reserves. We are ready to work with our partners, including Americans. Wow, man, that one was chilling. Shout out to Chad, who brought that up to us today in the live. I am really unnerved by that. So, okay, this is we. We are living in a time of velocity and volume of information, where with Trump, this is even escalating more.
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Unknown A
But with social media, you're just able to see this stuff all over the place. But Trump has answered something like four times more questions in the first four weeks of his presidency than Biden answered in the entirety of his presidency. Just to give you an idea of the level of access we're getting, I thought it was atrocious to see Trump, Vance and Zelensky go at each other in full view of the public. But also part of me is so intrigued because we're actually able to see how all of this stuff works. And I think the cameras are influencing it. Makes me uncomfortable. I'm gonna set that aside for a second. Putin obviously is seeing all this, and when you take that as a response to him going, oh, like you're trying to get the mineral rights, bro, we've got a lot more. So whether we take Ukraine in or the Donbass or whatever region, we bring those in, hey, we're open for business now.
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Unknown A
This is something that you saw in the Middle east as we were going from World War I to World War II, I think, I can't remember right before World War I. Anyway, right around that time period where we realized, oh, oil is going to be everything. And I don't think people realize that. We just made that switch like a hundred Years ago, and it's not like super old. And you're now seeing that with rare earth minerals becoming so important for technology, Russia has some of the deepest deposits of that. Ukraine, obviously similar. And Putin saying, don't worry if you can't do the deal with Zelensky. No sweat.
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Unknown B
Come on over here.
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Unknown A
Yeah. And so I was like, hold on for a while. On the surface, not saying that this is ever what it was below the surface, but on the surface, the world was asked to join in a moral debate. You had Putin, the aggressor of Russia, coming into the Ukraine, violating their sovereignty, killing God knows how many people north of a million people lost. When you combine the two sides, some say millions, I don't know the exact number, but it's way too much. And that felt clear. Now, of course, anytime something seems clear, it's probably been simplified beyond recognition. But that felt clear, like I was. I understood the moral argument. I understood where I was in this landscape. Can't invade a sovereign nation. All bad ice. Russia out. This is terrible. Now this is shifting and we're actually getting into, is this what this is really about?
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Unknown A
Like, is this a resource grab? Is this put with territorial inclinations? Is this about NATO coming up against the border? Is it both? Almost certainly, yes. And I'm sure a lot more things that we don't see. And so the messiness, the morally grotesque reality of war, of realpolitik, of the strong will do as they will and the weak will suffer as they must, is playing out before our eyes. And this is, I think, the messy reality of a declining superpower with a rising power in China who's far more aligned with Russia than we are. And this kind of loop plays out a lot, especially as the US becomes more desperate to get out from under their debt, to project strength at a moment where their strength is declining. Neil Ferguson, the historian, has a really interesting take on this. I know the Internet feels some kind of way about Sam Harris.
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Unknown A
I would not rule him out. And Neil Ferguson, on Sam Harris, in a very recent episode, was talking about, if you read Trump as somebody who believes that America is actually in a weakened position, suddenly the way that he's behaving actually makes more sense. Somebody who believes they need to project power, need to reestablish power. He makes a lot of sense. Somebody who believes that we confidently are just the strongest, the best, all that, he starts making a lot less sense. And I kind of get that read. So it is a. A hyper consequential moment in which the decisions that we make as a nation are going to matter tremendously. And morally, this is going to be debated for the ages. Should the US have forced their. Should the US have forced Russia onto what they may consider death ground by moving NATO up to their border?
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Unknown A
Should Russia ever have invaded a sovereign nation when it's called a soft threat? Should we be talking about mineral rights or should we just be talking about either borders matter or they don't?
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Unknown B
And that's kind of why I want to pull this back to the war aspect of it, because Donald Trump treated over the weekend, this is the worst statement that could have been made by Zelensky and America will not put up for much longer is what I was saying. This guy doesn't want to be peace as long as he has America backing in Europe. In the meeting they had was Zelensky started flatly that. They stated flatly that they could not do the job without the US probably not a great statement to have been made in terms of a show strength against Russia. What are they thinking? So this is a reaction to Zelensky saying that there's the end of the world. Russia is very, very far away. So we were, it seemed, on the brink of peace on Friday to now. The war is very far away.
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Unknown B
Zelensky just booked a, just got a $2.8 billion loan from the UK to continue the financing of war with Russia now coming out offering these mineral rights. Do we see that this as a way to kind of end the war? Do we just. Is it just jacking position at this point? At this point?
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Unknown A
So let's play that thought experiment out. For that to be true, what would have to happen is the US Would say, yeah, we're going to stop funding them because of course, Russia right now, we have iced Russia out as much as humanly possible. It actually didn't work nearly as well as we thought. But we have done everything we can to ice Russia out of the global economic system without causing a recession around the world because of energy costs. So it's a delicate balance. But the US has gone way, way, way, way, way out of their way to make it economically difficult for Russia to function, period, full stop. So we would have to back off of that, presumably, I'm guessing. But if I find Putin, I'm like, hey, world for business, assuming you stop fucking trying to annihilate us economically. And oh, by the way, like the way that he said, Putin is many things, but a fool is not one of them.
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Unknown A
And when he says that, oh, these new territories also have these incredible deposits he's saying, you don't have to choose. You don't have to choose between the mineral rights in Ukraine. Make a deal with Russia. You get it all, dude. If we did that, yikes. Okay, admittedly, we have. We are now leaving the part that I feel that I'm thoughtful about into the part where I have an emotional reaction. Nobody distrusts their emotions more than me, but I believe give people a sincere take, a sincere, strong take, and then people will think through the problem on their own. They have to. That really freaks me out. I'm not saying that's not real politique. It is, but God damn, is it morally gross. So it's saying, let us reabsorb that. It gives us NATO distance, it gives you the economic advantage that you want. But it's so in the daylight, because this is what it always has been, right?
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Unknown A
It's always been this. It's always been this. With mineral, rice, with oil, whatever. But, man, do I miss the days where we had like a cover story. And I'm conflicted. I don't know why I like that, because whatever is true is true. And you want to be dealing at the level of truth. But I have this really weird moral discomfort with just saying the thing. I don't know, man. It is bananas. So anyway, I'll have to grab with that. Everybody listening will have to grapple with that. But I really, really, really don't like that. Now you've got Zelensky and Europe pulling in a different direction and Europe realizing that they may have to go their own way. Because for the first time, these guys are really realizing, oh, wait, Trump. Their perspective. Trump may be so unhinged, he may actually not back up his NATO alliances.
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Unknown A
And if that's true, we've got to fund our own militaries. We've got to be ready for this History. This is not my quote, but I don't remember who said it. History. The only consistent part is the law of unintended consequences. And so they're going to be all these crazy butterfly knock on effects of things that we just can't imagine. But if we as the US Fracture from Europe because we don't like the way that they're handling the negotiations with Zelensky because we want the min and we've got a president now that will feel some kind of way about Zelensky starts icing him out and acting like Zelensky's a dictator, but Putin's not. Like, yo, so you start asking yourself, okay, how do I make Trump make sense. In this moment, Trump makes sense to me at least when you go, oh, when people don't show him the deference that he believes that he deserves, he's going to turn on them.
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Unknown A
If he sees an economic opportunity to make America stronger, he's at least going to give it a look. Because I don't know how Trump's going to respond to this. He's going to be like, get the fuck out of here. Like Putin. That's crazy. I'm not interested in that. But I am going to get what I need out of Lindsay or I'm going to back off and let you guys fight it out. So we'll see. I do not think I have a crystal ball into which I can see the future. But if you play out the thought experiment of, oh, this leads us to peace, that's how it leads you to peace. Back Putin's bid to take over Ukraine. You do minimal rights and you make it an economic win for the US and you just say it is what it is.
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Unknown B
We'll see. In other government use, the US has announced a US crypto reserve. Donald Trump tweeted over the weekend as well. A US crypto reserve will elevate this critical industry after years of corrupt attacks by the Biden administration. Which is why my executive order on digital assets directed the presidential working group to move forward on a crypto strategic reserve that includes xrp Solana. A cardinality.
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Unknown A
I was being trolled. Hold on. I know there's more, but when I read XRP Sol and Ada, I was like, hold on a sec. Is this real? It really seems to be real.
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Unknown B
I will make sure the US is the crypto capital world. We are making America great again. Bitcoin. Love the news because the markets were up before they were down because crypto was trending to Debbie down 20% over the weekend at 79. They bounced up after the news to their a new high of 93 or new regional high like locally in the last two weeks and then. But now there's been a sell off for that.
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Unknown A
So now it's like falling off the cliff again. It's a volatile asset, boys and girls.
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Unknown B
Brass hat positive. What do you think about the US having a crypto reserve and not a bitcoin strategic reserve? Because I think that's important to be drilling on.
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Unknown A
So I think the person that has a really good take on this is Joel Lansdale and I found myself nodding in agreement with his Texas or his ex Post tweets There we go. Hi. And that is basically that Now I'm gonna use my own words. So all of the stock market and doubly so for crypto, it's gambling.
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Unknown B
Mm.
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Unknown A
Everybody knows my thoughts on forcing Americans or anybody else to gamble because they can't save their money because you're inflating the money supply is morally bankrupt. Uh, but nonetheless, that's the position that we're in. I do not like the idea of the government taking your taxes and gambling on crypto. If it was btc, I would feel less about it just because I have my own personal thesis about what bitcoin is. But even that, I'd be. I would question it. What I was saying during the live is, this gives me Sam Bankman Freed vibes. Let's remember that Sam Bankman Fried ended up, at least in one snapshot in time being right. And it was, let me steal your money, and I'm going to, without your knowledge. I'm going to invest that in things that will return more money. And I think it did. If they had just let it go.
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Unknown A
I don't know if it's still true, but for at least a moment in time, he was right and he was up. And so we put him in jail for basically ever, because he did that. Because we're like, yo, I don't want you gambling with my money. I gave you money for one thing, and you did something else with it. And now the government's saying they're going to do the same thing, and I'm just like, what? I don't want them gambling with my money. Now, it gets complex when you start talking about a strategic. A sovereign wealth fund. Excuse me. Because now you're talking about, like, hey, if we can get a deal done for TikTok, for instance, should we be able to capture some of the upside of that for the American people? I actually kind of dig that. But also, when you fuse the government and corporations, it's called fascism.
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Unknown A
So it's like this all starts getting excruciating, excruciatingly complex. So in my nice and simple way of viewing the world, I would rather they did a balanced budget, stop deficit spending, let people save their money, let the stock market. Let people gamble if they want, but make it optional. Let the crypto market be the crypto market. Now, I'm very happy to be wrong about this and to see that this returns just gangbuster results for the American people. And you get our greatest minds. Like Howard Lutnick, I think that's his name, who you've got in the government right now. Yo, like, he's done a bang up job. There's a reason that people get Ray Dalio to come to their country, whether China, the us, Abu Dhabi, wherever, they'll bring him in and be like, yo, help us. So there's a reason that you get these tremendous minds doing this and then you're able to make incredible investments in your country.
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Unknown A
So it's like, it's one of those where what do you do when you like the outcome and you hate the method? That's where I'm at.
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Unknown B
Oh, that's interesting. I'm, I like that we're at least trying new things, but to your point, we don't have it like, well, also.
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Unknown A
Xrp, Soul, Bitcoin, any of them tank. And the American people are like, yo, I can't make good on my. In fact, it won't be that. I was gonna say I can't make good on my entitlements because you like bet this stuff on something that's international and it goes down at the whims of human sentiment. But they won't. They would just print money. But now you're back into the position, you're just stealing from everybody. And so it's like, oh, man, I just. These games are so complicated. I think it's better that the government stay out of the vast majority of these games. We'll go back to the show in a sec, but first I want to talk about something that's deeply personal to me. For nearly a decade, my wife Lisa has been battling debilitating gut issues. At one point, I was actually afraid she was going to die.
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Unknown A
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Unknown B
In future tech news, Elon talked about Infinite products and if money would even be worth it. Let's jump to the click.
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Unknown A
If money would have any value, it's crazy.
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Unknown C
Humanoid robots and deep intelligence. You basically have quite infinite products and services available. So with Tesla building the most advanced humanoid robot, then the most human robots can be directed by deep intelligence. At the data center level. You can say you can produce any product, just provide any service. There's really no limit to the economy at that point. You can make anything. I'm not sure at that point will money even be meaningful?
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Unknown B
I don't know.
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Unknown C
It might not be. Economic output is productivity per capita times. Per capita times how many people do you have. And if in the form of humanoid robots, you have no meaningful limit on the number of robots and the robots can basically do anything, then you'll have a sort of a universal high income situation. Anyone will be able to have as many products and services as they want, with the exception of things that, say, have artificial scarcity like that.
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Unknown A
But notice that he doesn't sound excited. And I mean he's racing to build the world, so he's obviously not thinking, oh, this is a negative thing. But I think the lack of enthusiasm is, it is so unknown meaning and purpose. What do you do? Like, how do you make that work? What does that even look like? And I agree that we should be racing towards this as rapidly as we can with thoughts on safety, but I, I very much agree with, I think it was J.D. vance that said you're not going to nanny state your way to success in AI. And AI is a race, it is an arms race. That is the right way to think about it. Um, and at the same time, when I look into the future and ask my brain, what does that world look like? It hands me back a null void.
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Unknown A
And it's just like, it's so different. There's no way to accurately predict what the world is actually going to look like. So much of human motivation has to do with, I have a goal that really matters to me and I'm gonna pursue that goal. When you take away that it really matters to me part, which most people are not good at, inserting something to say, oh, I'm gonna make this the thing that I pursue. This is why I think the default answer in life is become the kind of person worthy of getting married, have children, raise them well, not because I think it's only path, obviously it's not, it's not the path that I walked. But when I think about the amount of effort I've had to put into making sure that the things I do in life matter. It's a lot, man. And so you want to align yourself with the evolutionarily planted algorithms that exist in your brain whenever humanly possible.
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Unknown A
And capitalism is the result of an evolutionarily placed algorithm that runs in people's minds. It is the, I want to do this thing and I want to win. I want to win more than the people around me. And people can hate that if they want, but all of innovation is effectively, let's see how fast I get canceled. All of innovation is effectively men going, I want to get laid. And so I want to be better than the next person. Now, of course, when you're making something that's not actually the forefront of your mind, but that's the machinery that's implanted in your mind that gets you to go do that really hard thing to make things better, because you want to contribute to the tribe in a way that makes you somebody of high standing in the tribe. And one of the ways to do that is to make the future better than the present.
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Unknown A
And so if you can make the future better than the present, you become high status. Being high status gets you access to high status females. And that drives so much of this. And that's why so much innovation is. People can hate that if they want. Let's just say reality. And so given that, it's like, I don't know how much of the machinery of the human mind breaks when you have infinite resources, because we just didn't come up in that period. And so now it's gonna be like, we. It's much like I would never have predicted that eternally present abundance of delicious calories would be a bad thing. Like, if you would ask me back in like 1500, I wouldn't be like, oh no, I see how this goes wrong. I'd be like, oh my God, it's amazing. Race it that as fast as you can only to find that people are morbidly obese and still like sicker than ever.
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Unknown A
And so it's like, oh, whoa, I didn't see that coming. That. Oh, yeah. Yes. We are driven to eat like things with a ton of fat and sugar and like just mash it all together. Fat is not. But when you combine it ultra high calorie in something with a ton of sugar, it just you over consume and you pack on the fat and it just becomes a total shit show. So I worry that there is a similar lurking problem that we have not yet identified that will raise its head once we have that kind of abundance.
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Unknown B
I agree. I Took his, his lack of enthusiasm, though where I differ from you is that it wasn't necessarily that he's harping on the meaningless problem, but more so that it's such a sure future that he's like, okay, this is gonna happen, this happens, this happens. Yeah, give me three years. That's exactly what's gonna happen.
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Unknown A
I'm gonna say hard pass on that. So this is Elon Musk who said AI is a demon summoning circle and you have no idea what you're going to get. Now admittedly he now pegs it and as far as I can tell, he's just guessing, but he says 80% likelihood that it ends well. Cool. But like, I don't think you go from the guy who says AI is a demon summoning circle to your lack of enthusiasm when you define the future is just. Oh, but it's just so commonplace. This is a guy that when he wants to get excited, he knows how to transmit that enthusiasm to get people on board. I mind reading, mind reading. Danger, Danger, Will Robinson. But my instinct is there's just enough in that where he knows there, there are looming cliffs that we could. And I've heard him talk about meaning crisis where he's like, I don't know what happens when.
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Unknown B
So anyway, okay, so let's, let's do the sci fi writing experiment for a second because on the same over the weekend we had SpaceX launch another rocket that went to Florida. It didn't kind of, it didn't re as well as they wanted to. So I think they're doing another launch today as well. At the same time, Palmer Lucky is now working on Halo Master Chief style exoskeletons. So to your point of. It used to be we were tribes, we used to build something in order to bring value to the society too gets laid. Now I feel like we're starting to solve problems that are so novel that it's kind of outside of our day to day occurrence. We're talking about this in a lot like going to Mars is a feat, but it doesn't impact a vast majority of Americans. It would just be like, oh yeah, that's cool, we went to Mars.
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Unknown B
As opposed to something that's getting there. So I square the circle by saying like, do you think that the fact that we keep pushing technological advances to the limits is now disconnecting from the fundamental origin of technology when it used to be a tool to help us live better?
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Unknown A
I don't think it's disconnecting. I think we will be richly rewarded Psychologically, for continuing to make the future a better and more exciting place. Which is why I'm always surprised. So today during the live, you and Eunice were both like, super blase about going to Mars. Something I think is like unbelievably cool. So I think back to the space race to get us to the moon and how that really ignited an entire generation of scientists and engineers and dreamers, people that were just like, literally anything is possible. My hope is that that's exactly what Mars is for this generation. And because for so long, the idea that Peter Thiel put forward of we were promised flying cars and all we got was 140 characters and it's like, but you're now getting the flying cars, like legitimately getting the flying cars. And so it took longer than expected.
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Unknown A
Maybe it came to form factor that we weren't expect. But it's unbelievable. And I am on fire. This is why I say, like, having to start with the, the stuff about forced conscription and, oh God, the crazy negotiation over mineral rights. Not ideal. Because I would much rather be focused on all this incredible, exciting, like sci fi come to life stuff. Because this really is. Despite all the madness, this remains the most thrilling, exciting time to be alive. So, yeah, I mean, I look at this stuff and am over the moon about where we're headed. It doesn't feel disconnected at all. It doesn't mean that I don't think force bathing is real. And of course there is that element of humanity as well. But looking at the stars and saying, I can go there, that's pretty thrilling.
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Unknown B
Even though we don't see stars anymore in a majority of US cities and populations.
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Unknown A
Yeah, let's contend with that. Okay, so you brought this up last time, and I think it's a really fascinating insight that A, there are trade offs. B, don't accept the world as you see it as the sum total of that world. Know that not only are you blinded to things, but society has intentionally or unintentionally blinded you to it. And so seeking out awe, seeking out things that give you the chills, is very wise. But do I think that it is ultimately a small price to pay? Yes. Which is why humanity has raced forward technologically as hard and fast as they have. Because let me tell you, go watch A Season of Alone and tell me that that's worth being able to see the stars for when you can still drive the Joshua Tree or whatever and see it like when you have to fight for every calorie and your life is just completely occupied by Survive this winter.
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Unknown A
It's. It's just a different game, man. And if you really want to freak yourself out, I showed everybody that book that I'm reading now about Mao's China called Tombstone. Dying of starvation is gnarly. There was a few towns in China where they found clay. Like dig up, and there's clay. They found clay. And apparently you can eat clay, but it doesn't have nutritional value at all. And so some percentage of people, they were just so hungry, they couldn't stop themselves. They would literally line up. It's like, your turn now to, like, dig and eat the clay. Some people eat so much of it would kill them. And I just thought, bro, when you starve people long enough, they will cannibalize their own children. Read Red Famine. Read Tombstone. They both talk about cannibalizing your own children. Okay? I know people with a full belly right now cannot fathom that they would ever do that.
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Unknown A
Humans do. They will cannibalize their own children. Enough said about that. They will eat clay. And so when you think that to get out of that state, we have had to. Evolution has had to plant in our brains this desire to solve these problems, to not just fish, but to build boats that allow us to take nets out into the deep sea and capture enough that populations can explode. That's what it had to do to get us out of that constant danger of, like, you might starve to death. It's pretty amazing. And so I. Your point is taken about. We have obscured the beauty of the Milky Way. But bro, like it. It is a price I'm willing to pay, given what I know history looks like.
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Unknown B
I think, okay, I don't want to get pigeonholed into this, but I think that that's a good. I want to push back because I think to your point, if we have obscured the beauty of the Milky Way with rockets that are shooting toward the stars. Cool. Okay. It's for technological advancement, but 99% of the light pollution is advertisements and street lights. So it's one of those things that it's. Sometimes these technological advancements aren't necessarily for the betterment of society, but for the forwardness of personal interest.
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Unknown A
Second and third order consequences.
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Unknown B
Yeah, there's no doubt. So 100% got that. Because that is our perfect segue into the corruption piece of the show, which is as we're dealing with this Elon Muson, Joe Rogan, and didn't want to necessarily talk about the type of corruption that he see in the usa, But I want to kind of pigeon tail. This with some of the other corruption links that we found today, whether it was AOC giving advice to illegal immigrants to circumvent ice, or whether it was Jasmin Crockett talking about Trump as an enemy to the US Even though he was democratically elected in. So there's this kind of like, we are seeing the next. The next movement and the next step that the human race is taking forward, but I'm sure we're not seeing all these second and third order consequences like corruption, some of these other things that might be a negative externality of that.
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Unknown A
Movement forward of the evolutionary algorithms in our brains. Yes, I will give you that. Play this clip. This is nuts.
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Unknown C
It's more than just insider trading. Like, the insider trading stuff. Like the stock portfolio stuff is quite trackable, but there's. It's a lot more than insider trading.
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Unknown B
The way they're acquiring wealth. Correct.
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Unknown A
And what other methods?
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Unknown C
I mean, this is really gonna get me assassinated. It's like, I'm not lengthening my lifespan by explaining this stuff, to say the least. I mean, I'm supposed to go to D.C. how am I gonna survive? This joker's gonna kill me for sure. So, in fact, I. I do think like this. It's like, I actually have to be careful that I don't push too hard on the corruption stuff, because it's gonna get me killed.
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Unknown A
Super unnerving. I don't think he's wrong. I think you have to plant a mile marker here and say, look, of course he could be saying that, because there is nothing else, and he wants to make much ado about nothing. He wants to feel doge, and he just wants people to get behind him and accept it. Like, there's this crazy thing that's happening, and you just got to trust me. And I can't talk about it because I'll get killed. Cool. While fully acknowledging that at the same time, in the full interview, he talks about, like, when you have people that are in the government, because he was saying you should. I think this all started when he said you should pay people more in the government. And Robo's like, huh? Why do we want to do that? He was like, because you create a forcing function for corruption.
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Unknown A
These guys are living in D.C. one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the world, which is already like, hey, that should raise questions. And these government bureaucrats are in a district with terrible schools, and they can't afford to put their kid in private school. And so now you create this forcing function where they're Going to take corrupt money so that they can do it for their kids. And he said, if I'm stopping people from doing that, then now all of a sudden they can fight against me or try to have me assassinated because they're doing it for their kids. And he was like, once you trigger that, he's like, now all bets are off. And so I do think that there, even if he's faking it, it isn't a fake idea. That dragging the corruption into the light is exactly historically how people have been killed.
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Unknown A
And you have to read a whole lot about jfk, which released them files, but you don't have to read too much about JFK before you go, ooh, there's some pretty compelling arguments that this was. JFK just had his finger on too much money. And so people are like, not gotta go. So people do crazy shit for money. Crazy shit. And so if he really does see a vein of corruption that would be so damaging to talk about that he's worried. I, I only hope that it does find its way into the public sphere, not attached to anyone in particular. But this is the kind of transparency that we want. That's kind of transparency that we need. Making that kind of stuff impossible, paying people well, so you get the best and the brightest, I'm here for that. But creating a forcing function for people to be corrupt, that's that place that has the worst, second, third order consequences.
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Unknown B
I can imagine that makes sense to me. And then now I want to get to this NPR interview with AOC dispute.
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Unknown A
If that's the right word, with Tom Holman, the President's Homeland Security czar, so called. You held an online forum, a know your rights forum that he didn't like. What were you doing? What was your goal as you saw it? My job is to educate and act as a liaison of critical information to my constituents. And I was informing all of my constituents of their constitutional protections and in particular their. Their constitutional protections against illegal search and seizure in the United States. Holman was upset, I suppose, because he felt that you were giving advice to people who are here illegally. Were you? I was giving advice to all of my constituents. I love anybody standing up for the constitutional rights that you have. However, when you say, and this is why I say, to be fair, she obviously did not come out and say, hey, even illegal immigrants are my constituents and I was fighting for them.
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Unknown A
But I think you'd be pretty hard pressed not to read between the lines and be like, hold on a second. You clearly don't have to worry about the people that are here legally, because I'm looking be like, you're here legally. So this is aimed at, I think, being generous. This is somebody who's very compassionate, understands people worked very hard to get here, that they probably had a very bad where they were coming from. They've come in and she wants to make sure that they're able to stay. And she knows a way to help them get around it. And as a country, we are gonna have to contend with whether we think that's okay or not. So I would say this is pretty dicey. And I would expect them to keep pushing and pursuing this. Because if she is helping people evade this, just like we're seeing people in ICE that are telling people, this is where the next raid is gonna happen.
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Unknown A
Those people are gonna be found out and fired. This is gonna create real division that people are gonna have to put some sort of guidelines in place with what we think is acceptable, what's not acceptable. Because at a minimum, I would expect her answer to be something along the lines of, hey, I'm just telling my constituents exactly what is legal and what is not legal. Anybody that has beef with that is crazy. Um, I can't stop somebody who's illegal from hearing this. And if they're legal illegal, then obviously that should be processed in a sensible way and that I'm speaking to. And this goes back to the whole thing of, like, everyone just saying the quiet part out loud. And it's, like, getting real fucking creepy to me. Not because I don't want to know what's true. I do want to know what's true. It's normalizing, like, all of the.
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Unknown A
The shit that we should be striving to get away from. In fact, this is me putting together in real time what's bothering me. Instead of trying to improve ourselves, instead of trying to ask really difficult moral questions, we're all saying, I'm going to do it this way. I want everyone to just normalize that this is a thing. It's no longer about debate and people saying, I don't have all the answers. This is exactly why we have three branches of government that pull, push and pull on each other, and we get to things through a democratic process. This is now everybody just, like, going, okay, this is my way. I'm going to do it. But everybody's watching it. I don't give a fuck what you think. I don't have time for morals. It's real politik, as it should be, and it is what it is. Like, I want people to acknowledge that real politi.
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Unknown A
So that they come to the world with their eyes wide open. But I want them to strive to be better. And the message that I always got growing up as a kid, you're always striving to be the better version. And it's interesting because I think this all filters down. Oh, this is interesting. Controlled narratives, man. Controlled narratives.
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Unknown B
Bring your leaks back. Start lying to us again.
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Unknown A
James Burnham. James Burnham. This is. I don't want people lying, but I do want an aspirational narrative. I want the full embrace of the truth. It's interesting, Drew. This is what I'm trying to do with this show. A full embrace of the truth. An acknowledgment that. But a. Even when I bang on a table and say, I know this and I understand this, and everybody should listen. People should merely take it as a data point that allows them to build a more cohesive worldview as they understand it. But I understand that I don't have all the right answers. I don't want anybody to treat me like I have all the right answers. Everybody needs to think for themselves. No one is coming to save us. We want to map the world as it actually is. But we should aspire. We ought to aspire. That is me expressing my beliefs about what the world should be from a moral perspective.
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Unknown A
We ought to aspire to something better. And I feel like because of the velocity and volume of information that social media has brought to bear, I don't feel people striving for that. I don't feel the. I don't feel that there is a cohesive moral narrative that we share. The hesitation in my voice is because this is all coming into conflict. This is all being confronted by the reality that this is really tribes that don't share a moral understanding of the world. And I am realizing real time, my real beef may be we just don't share morality anymore. And that sounds dangerous to me. That's how you end up in a civil war.
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Unknown B
Wow. So do you think we're closer to. Was that like a civil war? Like switching.
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Unknown A
It's all coming together with things I already believe. It's just always fascinating. This is why people should journal and thank you all for. I mean, the show has effectively become my verbal journal. When you see far flung pieces of your belief system click into place, it's almost more unnerving than when somebody gives you a better lens because you're like, oh, all of these things that are happening. I haven't thought a lot about Civil War. It used to like, really was occupying my thoughts when I first started looking at it through a financial lens. And I was like, but, yeah, this is two worldviews racing away from each other really, really rapidly. And because everybody believes they're right, they just flout. I don't think that's right. What to use that word. But they. It's so close. I'm gonna stick with it. They flout their beliefs against the other side.
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Unknown A
Oh, that's not quite right. But hopefully you guys get what I mean. They just. They don't give a shit. They just start moving in a different direction. They don't care. We'll go back to the show in a moment, but first, I have an important message for entrepreneurs. You did not start your business to play small. You started it to build something extraordinary. But here's the truth. Big visions require big tools. That's why I recommend Shopify to every entrepreneur who's serious about building a business. It's not just a sales platform. It's a partner in your growth. Shopify powers some of the biggest brands out there, like Alo, Allbirds and Skims. It's the backbone that lets them sell seamlessly, whether it's online, in store, or even on social media. With features like shop pay, they boost conversions by up to 50%, turning browsers into buyers and dreams into real hard revenue.
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Unknown A
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Unknown B
Yeah, we're going fun now to wrap the show up. Let's go. Enlightener news has some fun. The Oscars was this weekend. Honora was a big winner. Winning best picture best actress. Adrien Brody won for best actor in the Brutalist. Zoe Saldana was best supporting actress. Her speech went viral about being the child of an immigrant.
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Unknown A
What'd she win for the musical?
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Unknown B
Yeah, I gotta watch her.
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Unknown A
Is it worth it?
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Unknown B
Yeah.
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Unknown A
I've seen too many people make that face. I love her in Lioness, though.
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Unknown B
Lioness is the goat. I got time on that show. You guys. Check it out.
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Unknown A
It's true.
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Unknown B
But yeah. And of course, in true fashion, it was revealed that Oscar rules require diversity quotas for best picture nominees came out.
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Unknown A
A few years ago.
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Unknown B
Yeah, this was after the Oscars was so white, if you ask out. And then Elon Retweeted this is messed up. Shouldn't just be who's best. Not best with an asterisk.
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Unknown A
I agree. So for those who don't know, I went to film school. Film is my first love. Always thought I was going to be a film director. Which is why Impact Theory is so focused on making content for 11 to 15 year olds, Yada yada. Not this show, obviously. I'm aware of that. But I now don't really think about film much anymore. Now I still love entertainment in a way that many people will find distressing, but filmmaking has really lost its. There's been a talent drain over to series. God bless. That series is probably a better format. Yeah, it's a better format. Lets you go way more in depth, let you binge watch, which is certainly a thing right now. But the thing that gave me a flag that I could plant, say, this is why I've sort of given up on Oscars. Because I used to like fantasize about winning an Oscar and now I legitimately don't even think about it.
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Unknown A
It isn't just this, but this just put a nice fine point on it that not only in front of the camera, but behind the camera. Like you've got to meet certain quotas for your film to qualify. And that means that there are so many of the greats of cinema that wouldn't qualify today, which just strikes me as ridiculous. So that makes me sad. Like I just want to see the art form do battle in the world of public opinion for the art. And the more you can blind people to anything else. Just like the final piece of art, did it reveal something about the human experience? Did it make you feel something? That that is the game for me.
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Unknown B
Yeah, I feel like all the award shows have lost their appeal. This takes me back to the Grammys a couple years ago where like Kanye was pissing on his Grammy. Drake said he's never DRAKE TAYLOR, Never 10 of Grammys again. So this, they were billed as the tastemakers and these were the best of the best. And we're starting to realize that it is a biased group of people. It is a biased group of journalists. It's a very select, isolated group that you have to be in that ecosystem and in that world to understand the choices that they make. So by no means am I saying that Oscars is worthless, but by no means do I think it is the. The crowning achievement of a creative that it was once built as. I've liked a lot of extremely talented people who've made movies that touch my soul, that Never won a gold trophy.
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Unknown B
And I feel like that's the ultimate like not will you movie last 10 years from now. There's a bunch of movies that have that went home with 10 Oscars, but after that year you never think about them again.
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Unknown A
Interesting. So it's so interesting. It would be fascinating to do like in fact somebody please out there in the land of social media do this to give awards like a decade hence. So all right, to qualify, you must be at least 10 years old and have stood the test of time. And now we'd like to do our thing. That would be really interesting. But this goes to cultural energy. Like it really is like it's a moment. Even the show we build around not just things that are evergreen. We build around like what's culture on right now. And that's part of the fun. Like you want to be in that stream. That's just like, oh, there's so much energy around this. So I get why they would never work to do that sort of long term thing. But is a far more fascinating, like, would I rather be have created something that wins 10 Oscars in a year, whatever award that I care about, Would I rather do that or would I rather be totally panned but like 10 years later people are like, yo, this is the thing.
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Unknown A
I'd much rather this is the thing to be remembered. Would be phenomenal to me.
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Unknown B
Yeah, to me that's what art is about. But all right, moving on. This was a fun one that I found over the weekend. That's what we have to talk about. So I'm gonna give you guys a bullet points of what exactly happened. So I am Bradley shout out to him on Twitter. This was his week. So he makes leetcode. It's a cheating tool for big tech interviews. He uses it on an Amazon interview and gets the offer. Then he youtubes the entire thing, creating the code, using it during Amazon interview and tells Amazon to f off, declines it. Amazon then gets mad and emails Columbia and gives him a disciplinary letter. And then he tweets out the letter out loud like, this is crazy. I went through his Twitter. He also had an offer letter from Meta they pulled once they kind of found out who he was.
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Unknown B
It's interesting to me of like, this is like a coveted job and for him to kind of give the f you to the institution, it's like I like chaos. I like to watch it burn. But it's like, sheesh. Like, yeah, he stood 10 toes down on this. I just thought that it was amazing of the intersection between Like AI but using it in almost a revolutionary standpoint. What's your take?
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Unknown A
This is fascinating to me on two levels. One, that AI is getting so good that AI is feeding him the answers. He reads them verbatim, if I remember the clip right, and gets the job offer which says AI is able to get a coveted job at a company that a lot of people want to work at. So, hey, from a touring test perspective, that's a pretty gangster, like, performance by AI and also, listen to all the kids out there. If you can hear my voice right now, I promise you the grades that you get, all that stuff, none of it matters. What matters is, and what this kid is going to be remembered for is he made something. He had the guts to do this. He had the wherewithal to, like, document it, put it all out there. And when I think about the iconoclast that we all love and remember, people like Steve Jobs.
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Unknown A
Steve Jobs was fired from Atari because he smelled. And he was such a pain in the house to work with because he literally wouldn't shower. And so people that are not afraid to jump outside of the box to really view the world through a totally different lens, they. If they have the intellectual horsepower and all that, it's, you know, it's not one dimensional. They end up creating true new novel things. So I have no doubt this kid is gonna be just fine. The second way that I think that this is super dumb is that is just not the play. Like, if you're the company, you want to be like, yo, this kid is fascinating. If I look, I get the guy that made me offer feels like a fool, and so he's gonna rescind it. But if I'm high up in the company, I'm like, somebody reach out to that kid.
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Unknown A
I want to talk to him. I want to find out, is he only an iconic class, and he can't, like, be a part of a team, do a thing, in which case I don't want him. But, like, he's ahead of his time. He's at the cutting edge of AI he, like, had the balls to do this thing. Like, I want to talk to that kid. And you will often find when people can set their ego aside and just be like, but objectively, this is interesting, which is why it's captured the attention to go to Colombia and be like, yo, like, this kid is che che col. What? Like, this guy built something, is leveraging AI And I don't know, I assume if they send him a disciplinary letter means that he's still in school.
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Unknown B
Yeah.
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Unknown A
If that kid is doing this at like 20, 21, 19 maybe. I mean come on. That's really impressive. So yeah, I would be like, hey, I'm impressed. This kid's got something. Now. Whether he can integrate with a team is a question that life is going to ask him. And if he can't, he won't go very far. But if he can.
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Unknown B
Successful in streaming news, Hassan was banned for Twitch for calling for the unaliving of Rick Scott. We have the sensor clip here.
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Unknown A
Cared about Medicare fraud or Medicaid fraud. You would kill Rick Scott if you cared about Medicare fraud.
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Unknown B
We need to play twice. Yeah. Thoughts? It's a 24 hour band, so he should be back relatively quick.
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Unknown A
But okay, so he's right in that gray area of. He did not expressly. He did not say go on alive, Rick Scott. He said if you cared about this thing, you would. So because I, I'm. I walk right up to the line. I'm not quite a free speech absolutist, but I walk up to the line. 24 Hour Band by private company. Cool. I gotta be for that if keep saying stuff like that Ben for longer just because you don't want it on platform. Cool. Should he be fined or arrested? Absolutely not. So that when I look at the UK and I see people going crazy there and people getting harassed and arrested there and in Germany, I'm like, like you guys have read the book 1984, right? Like, this is not the game that you want to be playing. So yeah, look, I think it's crazy.
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Unknown A
I wouldn't say things like that. I think that's a mistake. I think he's coming in way too hot. Probably really is his worldview. But I hate everything about that. But I wouldn't from the perspective of. Should he be allowed to say something like that? Yes. Is it in a gray area where I'm surprised where I'm not surprised that he got banned for 24 hours? No, I mean it's very much in that gray area.
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Unknown B
Nice. Nice. Kaiser Net also had a spice to take streamers on a row this weekend when he's talking about how he didn't understand why people watch PewDiePie.
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Unknown A
I'm sorry.
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Unknown B
No, I agree. I feel like I didn't watch it. I mean when I looked into it that might be. I'll take though, you feel me. It'd be like that sometimes, but everybody's not for everybody because somebody might say that about you. It'd be like that is LT PewDiePie help shaped YouTube landscape.
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Unknown A
So, I mean, that's facts, but, like, the fact that Kai Sonat doesn't like him, whatever. So, I mean, this is fun. To be really honest, I do love cultural drama like that where people just want to have their take. So I'm not at all above, like, being in the fray of ultimately meaningless things like that, but it is. Not everybody's gonna like him. I have to admit, I'm surprised he's still as big as he is. Like, now, when I look at it, feels like culture has moved on from that. But, yeah, I mean, he terraformed YouTube. Like, when I first heard how big he was, I was like, whoa, I don't understand the landscape. Like, this is incredible. So, yeah, I mean, shout out to all of our forebears. Like, we are all standing on the shoulders of giants. And PewDiePie really did a lot of this stuff first.
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Unknown A
Or certainly did it first and best, as I say. I mean, same shout out to Rogan. Like, say what you want. Like, he. I forget the exact phrase. He did it best first. Like, he was not the first podcaster ever, but he did it so well, so early that he's now reaping the just rewards, but he will ultimately be replaced by somebody, and culture is just going to move on. Like, that just is what it is.
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Unknown B
Yep. Speaking of moving on, update from the streets. They're still trash. They're still trash. Streets is trash. A girl got mad at me because I told her I didn't want to have casual sex.
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Unknown A
Okay, hold on. First date. Where we at?
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Unknown B
No, it was date number, like, two and a half.
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Unknown A
And you were just not feeling it.
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Unknown B
I just. I wasn't into it. I don't want to do it.
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Unknown A
And were you attracted to her?
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Unknown B
I am attracted to her, but I just. I feel like, yeah, I don't want to just have, like, meaningful sex anymore.
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Unknown A
Yes.
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Unknown B
And I felt like I wanted to, like, establish that boundary. And then it became like, yeah, but wait. But wait. And then it turned into, like, a text message argument, and I was like, oh, wow, you're, like, really upset about this. And then we ended up. And I was like, oh, cool. So you should go your way and God bless you. And we decided to just handshake. It was a cordial agreement, but it is easier to have casual sex and find a girlfriend in the streets of LA in 2025. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Okay.
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Unknown A
Just. Just when I thought this was going to be, like, super light and casual. Drew, I love everything about this. Okay, so I'm team Drew, for sure. Now were you saying like, hey, no, I want to have more dates. I just, we're not there yet and I want to keep going. Or were you like, this is a breakup because it's just casual for me and I'm not interested in having sex?
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Unknown B
No, it was, I want to see where this goes. But I feel like if we start to have sex now, I'm not gonna see, I'm not gonna learn more about you. I'm just gonna be attracted to your body. And then before, no, we're having sex all the time and I want to see if there's something more to this and just us having sex all the time.
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Unknown A
Okay, interesting. Why do you think that sex would make it harder for you to get to know her as a person?
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Unknown B
I believe that sex clouds your judgment.
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Unknown A
That is not in my experience, but that's full stop.
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Unknown B
Yeah, that is my complete sense. I feel like what I think in my life is I'm looking for like maximum compatibility. And I feel like sometimes when you have good sex with somebody, you can a lot of green flags, a lot of red flags start turning pink. You start to overlook some things because.
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Unknown A
You might know something about yourself. And you know, I over index on the sexual aspect and that blinds me. Very clear. Okay, wow. Well, first of all, it's high level communication, so I certainly commend you. It's also a extreme degree of self awareness that most people lack. So double commend. It's interesting. I have not had that experience in my life. Maybe just because that's not my blind spot. But I've been married since I was 26, so take that for what it's worth. But that's really interesting. Now I have a feeling that she took it as you're not attractive enough to have sex with. But I wasn't in the dm, so who knows if that's accurate. But when I think about if somebody has an emotional reaction to that, they feel rejected, they were rejected. You did reject her. She made an overture for sex and you said no, everyone's going to feel some kind of about that.
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Unknown A
Women probably 10x more. Because it's usually a very useful strategy to be like, well, I'm going to give them this thing, therefore it will give me an opportunity to form a relationship with them. Men tend to bond. Like there's a great saying, women need to feel loved to have. Women need to feel love to have sex and men need to have sex to feel loved. And I've always thought that was bang on. And so if she has Learned over time that that's how to draw a guy in deeper. I'm sure it would be very disorienting for her that you were like, nah. And then her internal monologue is gonna run away with her about what it means and all that. It's very interesting. Thank you for sharing that, man. That is extremely.
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Unknown B
We're supposed to talk about this host, but okay, this is hilarious. Divorce rates, men and women 49 men and men 29 women and women 72 men are the problem. Ladies. Numbers don't lie.
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Unknown A
Okay, well, so the first thing I was like, there's no way this is true. Actually that's not true. My first reaction was, oh yes, this is everything that I know about men and women. And then I was like, okay, hold on, let me look this up. This feels a little too meaning to be accurate. Now I haven't done in depth analysis, but it does seem that it's not 100. Correct. First of all, this, that seemed to be coming from a UK study and the UK study does back up the directionality of this. But the 72% is data from 2019 indicated that 72% of same sex divorces involved female couples. So does that say the same thing? 72 of same sex divorces involved female couples. So 72% of same sex divorces are lesbians. Yeah, it doesn't say that women and women have a 72 divorce rate.
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Unknown A
There we go. That's why that doesn't sit right. So that, that isn't quite accurate, but it may even be a more because it would be 28 divorces are men. So look, it could be an even stronger indication. But anyway, that exact stat isn't represented quite accurately. But the fact that of same sex marriage is 72 of them are women. Lesbians. Excuse me, that is absolutely fascinating. Also there is some, I don't know the exact stat, but most so north of 50 of divorces are instigated by women. So now the question becomes, does that mean the women are more emotionally intelligent and they realize that this relationship is going nowhere fast and men are just too dim witted at the emotional level to realize, oh, we need to apply this. I don't want to immediately say that it means what men want it to mean, but it is very, very interesting that women get divorced at a much higher rate.
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Unknown A
That's pretty fascinating.
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Unknown B
I'm gonna leave this alone after my weekend, so I just want to leave the numbers out there.
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Unknown A
There it is. All right. Very, very fascinating everybody. First of all, make sure you're joining us live. We go live Monday, Wednesday, Friday, 8:00am Pacific Time, most of the schedule on Discord. If you're ever unsure. But we're typically live during those times, so we engage massively. We shout. Love to see you guys there and here. If you haven't already subscribe, be sure to do so, my friends. And until next time, be legendary. Take care.
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Unknown B
Peace.
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Unknown A
If you like this conversation, check out this episode to learn more. Trump, Zelensky and Vance collide in a three way train wreck that will cost an unknown number of lives. And is AGI here. Famous physicist Richard Feynman son has an AI induced existential crisis. ChatGPT 4.5 drops and Santa says.