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Unknown A
Trump, Zelensky and Vance collide in a three way train wreck that will cost an unknown number of lives. And is AGI here. Famous physicist Richard Feynman's son has an AI induced existential crisis. ChatGPT 4.5 drops and Sama says it's on par with a thoughtful human. Amazon's new quantum chip sets an insane new benchmark. El Salvadorian President Bukele tells Musk the secret to a healthy democracy is to impeach corrupt judges. Musk warns America will go bankrupt if we don't change course. DEI fights back with an economic blackout. Someone tried to bomb a Tesla dealership. And Gene Hackman, his wife and their dog turned up dead and partially mummified. Drew, this is real life. And the whole thing with Trump, Zelensky and Vance is unnerving to say the least. But this one, we really are playing with human lives. And it is crazy town.
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Unknown B
He signed an executive order to f around find out. It seems like we don't have to with this. Let's jump into the conversation and see where went off the rails. Yeah.
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Unknown A
The crazy thing is before you play this, you can watch it happen in real time. Everything is going fine and then one twist and it unravels this. Yeah.
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Unknown C
You see the hatred he's got for Putin. It's very tough for me to make a deal with that kind of hate. He's got tremendous hatred and I understand that. But I can tell you the other side isn't exactly in love with, you know, him either. So it's not a question of alignment.
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Unknown A
I have to.
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Unknown C
I'm aligned with the world. I want to get the thing set. I'm aligned with Europe. I want to see if we can get this thing done. You want me to be tough. I could be tougher than any human being you've ever seen. I'd be so tough.
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Unknown A
So Trump is saying, you want me to be tough? I could be tough. Literally imagine that's now in the back of his head. Watch the rest of this.
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Unknown D
I respond to this. So look, for four years, the United States of America, we had a president who stood up at press conferences and talked tough about Vladimir Putin. And then Putin invaded Ukraine and destroyed a significant chunk of the country. The path to peace and the path to prosperity is maybe engaging in diplomacy. We tried the pathway of Joe Biden, of thumping our chest and pretending that the President of the United States words mattered more than the President of the United States actions. What makes America a good country is America engaging in diplomacy. That's what President Trump is doing.
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Unknown E
Can I ask you?
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Unknown A
Sure, yeah. Yeah.
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Unknown E
Okay. So.
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Unknown A
And here's where it goes off the.
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Unknown B
Rails is this like, ego thing?
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Unknown E
Like, okay, occupied our parts, big parts of Ukraine, parts of east and Crimea. So he occupied it on 2014. So during a lot of years, I'm not speaking about just Biden, but those time was Obama, then President Obama, then President Trump, then President Biden, now President Trump. And God bless. Now President Trump will stop him. But during 2014, nobody stopped him. He just occupied and took. And we signed with him. Me like a new president in 2019. I signed with him the deal.
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Unknown A
Deal.
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Unknown E
I signed with him Macron and Merkel. We signed ceasefire, ceasefire. All of them told me that he will never go. We signed him with gas contract, guest contract. Yes. But after that, he broke in the ceasefire. He killed our people. And he didn't exchange prisoners. We signed the exchange of prisoners, but he didn't do it. What kind of diplomacy, J.D. you are speaking about?
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Unknown A
So it'll become clear in a second why this is problematic. Watching this interview, people have to hold the idea of Robert Green's the 48 Laws of Power in their minds. Man, I love how much this administration is putting things out there so everybody can watch what's happening. But the train wreck that is about to unfold is largely because all three of these guys know that their constituents are watching them. And so this level of posturing is going to cause them to collide. So basically what Zelensky just did is directly challenge J.D. now, if J.D. had enough diplomacy, he would handle it differently than he's about to. But check it out.
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Unknown D
It's going to end the destruction of your country. Mr. President, Mr. President, with respect, I think it's disrespectful for you to come to the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American media. Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you have manpower problems. You should be thanking the President for trying to bring it into this conflict.
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Unknown E
I've been to Ukraine that you say what problems we have. First of all, during the war, everybody has problems, even you. But you have nice ocean and don't feel now, but you will feel it in the future.
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Unknown A
God bless.
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Unknown E
God bless. You're not in the war.
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Unknown C
Don't tell us what we're going to feel. We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what we're going to feel.
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Unknown E
I'm not telling you because you're in.
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Unknown A
No position to dictate that you're in.
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Unknown C
No position to dictate what we're going to feel.
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Unknown A
We're going to feel very good.
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Unknown C
We are going to feel very good and very strong. You're right now not in a very good position. You've allowed yourself to be in a.
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Unknown E
Very bad position from the very beginning of the world.
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Unknown C
You're not in a good position. You don't have the cards right now with us. You start having cars right now. You're not. You're gambling with the lives of millions of people. You're gambling with World War Three. You're gambling with World War iii. And what you're doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country, far more than a lot of people said they should have.
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Unknown A
You said thank you once. No, in this entire meeting, you said thank you.
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Unknown D
You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October. Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of America and the president who's trying to save your country.
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Unknown A
Up until this point, this is how this feels to me. So 48 laws of power, law number one is never outshine the master. You're coming into President Trump's house, literally. And the problem is Zelensky has to play to his base and to President Trump. And in playing to his base, he's carrying the energy of somebody that's fighting for his country, that's staring death in the face, the existential death of his entire country, his own personal mortality, all of that. You have to be strong. You have to be aggressive. Like, you've got to be able to channel that now, because the cameras are on you, you can't be weak. But law, I think it's like Law 22, is that you need to be prepared to use the surrender tactic. You have to know when to show your underbelly so that you can get the other person to want something good for you, that you want to trigger their empathy.
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Unknown A
You want to make them want to help you. And that's hard to do when you have to posture for your constituents back home who you know are going to watch this. But if he, from a get what I want standpoint, even though I think that Zelensky wasn't, like, crazy out of hand with the challenge to JD it was unwise because you now are being adversarial with JD and if he doesn't back down, you get this kind of situation. Trump also has a moment where he can back out, but he doesn't take it because he's primed from earlier. Let me show you the tough guy. Also, this is my house. Come in, be respectful. And then another one of the laws of power is to know who you're dealing with when you're coming into a negotiation. Don't bring your judgments about whether Trump or Vance are emotionally reactive fools.
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Unknown A
If they're overly proud Americans, if they're garish Americans, whatever it is you think about them, don't be judgmental about it. Just acknowledge what is true, that Trump wants to be the tough guy. He'll grab people by the hand and pull them in to show that he's more dominant. And so if Zelensky, again, just to get what he wants, I'm not saying I am grossed out by every step of this. All three of these guys misplayed this. In my opinion, Vance was way too emotionally reactive. Asking him to, like, have you even said thank you in this meeting? Like, oh, God, that's so gross. Like, that. That, to me, is petty. It's small. It is not. The elder statesman that you want in that meeting at that moment, again, feels like theater, feels like posturing. But if you know, okay, this is who these men are.
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Unknown A
And so the way that I'm going to play this is I'm going to be very gracious, I'm going to show deference, I'm going to show my underbelly. I'm going to use the surrender to them card, not surrender the war. But you're surrendering to that person and saying things like, jd, I completely hear what you're saying from the perspective of wanting to be diplomatic. And Lord knows I'm so grateful to have Trump who has the strength to give me the cards that I'm going to need to play this hand. Well, I could not be more grateful for that. Without you guys, I would never be able to get this deal done. But I just want to make sure you guys understand why the. The safety guarantees are so important to me. Because Putin has time and time again since 2014, he's been violating these agreements. And so it does mean a lot to me that you guys would be willing to help me negotiate this settlement with Putin.
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Unknown A
But the reality is that I can't trust that he's not going to break it. I'm going to hope, but hope isn't a strategy, right? If he had that sort of. Even though I get it, you're having to do all of that. You shouldn't have to do all that. And the other guys should just be like, hey, we really want to end the war. But the reality is the 48 laws of power are laws of power. This is human ego you're dealing with. And if you understand who you're going up against and you know that they really are like that, don't judge it. Just deal with that reality and be conciliatory. But so much of this, the problem is created because everybod knows that they have to play to their base and you can feel them doing it, but it causes this huge clash. All right, very loudly.
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Unknown B
About the war.
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Unknown A
You.
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Unknown C
He's not speaking loudly. He's not speaking loudly. Your country's in big trouble. No, no. You got a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble.
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Unknown E
I know you're not winning.
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Unknown C
You're not winning this. You have a damn good chance of getting out, okay?
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Unknown E
Because of us, we are staying in our country, staying strong. From the very beginning of the war, we've been alone and we are single. I said thanks.
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Unknown C
We gave you stupid President $350 billion. We gave you military equipment. And you met a brave.
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Unknown A
But they had to use our military equipment.
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Unknown C
If you didn't have our military equipment, if you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two weeks.
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Unknown E
In three days. I heard it from Putin. In three days. This is something maybe less. In two weeks, of course.
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Unknown B
Yeah.
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Unknown C
It's gonna be a very hard thing to do, business like this. I think it's good for the American people to see what's going on.
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Unknown A
I think it's very important.
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Unknown C
That's why I kept this going so long. You have to be thankful you don't have the cars. You're buried there. Your people are dying, you're running low on soldiers. You're running slow on soldiers. It would be a damn good. Then you tell us. I don't want to cease fire. I don't want to cease fire. I want to go and I want this. Look, if you could get a ceasefire right now, I tell you, you take it. So the bullet stopped flying and you meant stuff causing kill.
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Unknown E
Of course I want to stop the war.
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Unknown C
But I'm saying you don't want to cease because you get a ceasefire faster than any green.
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Unknown E
Ask how are people about ceasefire, what they think? There wasn't many for you.
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Unknown C
That wasn't with me. That was with a guy named Biden who was not a smart person. Excuse me, that was with Obama, who gave you sheets. And I gave you javelins. Yes, I gave you the javelins to take out all those tanks. Obama gave you sheets. In fact, the statement is Obama gave sheets and Trump gave javelins you got to be more thankful because, let me tell you, you don't have the cards. With us, you have the cards, but without us, you don't have any cards.
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Unknown A
If you look at the social media responses, it goes back and forth from, oh, my God, Trump finally said what needed to be said to, I've never been more embarrassed to be an American. This is realpolitik. This is where you have to play the game the way that it's actually played. And getting into the morality of how people ought to be and all that people aren't like that. That just isn't real life. And so coming in like, this whole meeting would have been fundamentally different if any of the following were true. If Zelensky had studied the 48 laws of power and understood what he has to do to get these guys to end up in the position that he wants them to be in. Churchill was a master at this. Reading his biography and hearing him talk about the way that he had to position things to get the US finally into the war and how he played it.
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Unknown A
I mean, for him, it was existential to get American troops over in Europe to fight that war. And he managed to pull it off partly by showing the underbelly, all that stuff. Being tenacious, for sure, but knowing when to say, look, I'm at your mercy. If you don't do this, it's over. If Vance hadn't felt threatened, if he could have been suave, if he could have been relaxed about his pushback instead of feeling threatened, because you can see the moment where he's like, oh, I don't have a great comeback. And so he then starts turning and talking to the audience and saying, like, we shouldn't be litigating this here in front of the American people. You can actually feel his vibe ship and then Trump going basically to back up Vance, and it just begins to spiral. But the thing that seems to really be driving Trump is him not knowing his place.
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Unknown A
And it's really interesting, in Japanese culture, this kind of stuff is, like, really blatant. Uh, if you're lower in status, you have to bow lower. It's just physically manifested. Um, if you. In Chinese culture, there's like a hierarchy, and the person that is lower in the hierarchy has to pay tribute. And so it's like all of a sudden in America, that feels like there's this set of rules that, showing respect for the Oval Office, acknowledging where you are in hierarchy, that without us, you have no cards. With us, you have cards. And the thing is, it is true and so mapping that territory out before he comes in the room and understanding what he has to do to get on the other side of that would be critical. And I just can't help but think if this were happening behind closed doors, would have been very different.
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Unknown A
So I came into this meeting wanting more cameras all the time. I want to see this stuff. And part of me was absolutely fascinated to be able to watch because I know this is the kind of thing that goes on behind the scenes. But the problem is, and this is going to be one of the major criticisms coming out of this, I guarantee it is Trump. This isn't fucking business. This is war. And now that you've sent Zelensky packing, more people are going to die. Like, literally more people are going to die. Now, I don't know that they were going to get a deal done. Even if they went behind closed doors, there's no way to run that counterfactual. But the version that we got to see could have been avoided. Any one of the three of them makes a different choice. In fact, let me give you an out that Trump could have.
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Unknown A
And Lord knows I wish he had taken advance. Escalates. Trump sees, oh, he's being emotionally reactive. This isn't good diplomacy in terms of my. My real North Star is not to get Zelensky to admit that I'm the bigger man. My real North Star is not to get the American people to think that I'm the tough guy. My real North Star is to make sure that people stop dying in the Ukraine. So as Vance begins to ratchet up, he should have, at that point, like, showed that he's frustrated with Zelenskyy and said, look, this is obviously going to go nowhere fast. Everybody, we have to end here. We're gonna need to talk about this in private. I do not like where this is headed. And can make it very clear that he's upset with Zelensky.
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Unknown B
Great. Cut.
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Unknown A
The camera's there. His base is like, awesome red meat. Trump's gonna go slap him around. I just know it. This is gonna be awesome. You're never asking Zelensky to back down. You understand that he's got a posture for his people. And you go in the back room, the two of you can fucking yell at each other all you want. Vance can throw a fit and be emotional. When he gets back into a corner, it doesn't fucking matter because it's off camera and hopefully negotiate and get to the other side. But the number of times man in business, I will say to my wife, or whoever. This meeting is not going to be emotionally satisfying. You are not going to be gratified. You are not going to get out of this person. Concessions. They're not suddenly like when you're firing somebody, okay, you can make a big drama out of it and be like, you fucked up and I'm so displeasing, get the fuck out of here.
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Unknown A
Welcome to getting sued by that employee. Or you can say, I'm not going to go for anything emotionally satisfying in this moment. And I'm just going to say it's clear at this point that the relationship is not going to go any farther. I think it's better for us and for you if we part ways. We're going to give you whatever severance package and you just wash your hands. Now, for people that are in their fields, that is so frustrating. But that's why you have to know, what is your North Star in this meeting? Trump's North Star. I need to be acknowledged. I need to be thanked. I need to see that, you know, that you're the person with no cards. I'm the guy with all the cards. Vance just, I think, ended up getting out over his skis and didn't have a great argument. Zelensky had a very good point.
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Unknown A
Terrible fucking timing. Never should have made the point in the room, but nonetheless, that's where it.
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Unknown B
Went off the rails. Because J.D. vance was trying to make a. He was posturing a show. This is how ruddipy happens. You know, we're not gonna just talk tough. We're actually having conversations. And then Zelensky at that point could have just been like, yes, now let's get the deal done. It's done. If he would have been the bigger man. But it says Zelensky was like, well, this is your fourth president having the fourth conversation. And when has this been. And indirectly, Trump tried to deflect it the first time, like, oh, that's 2015. I wasn't here. You were still here while Putin was in Crimea. So you're he at that point. He caught a stray in that moment. And I think Zelensky should have said, okay, I got him, I got him. We moved on the conversation. Let me let it go. But then to your point, I feel like everybody then wanted to double down.
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Unknown B
And I even love Trump because I feel like Trump showed his hand in this interview and that's. This is the part for me that makes it very trans, like, very transparent. Trump even said himself, this is not how you do business. You don't have any cards I'm trying to help you out. You're puffing your chest. Are you with my vp? I gave you jab. Like, I hate that I'm on Trump side on this. It's crazy. Like, I thought I would never be here, but it's one of those things where it's like, Trump is like, hey, bro, you in my house asking for stuff, and now you're yelling at my little brother. You wouldn't even be here if I didn't invite you. Like, what are you talking about? You should say thank you. And then we should be trying to get this deal. Like, Zelensky just came in as if it was like, yeah, I'm getting another 300 bills from the U.S.
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Unknown B
i'm getting javelins, and I'll see you next week. And it was just kind of. This all that was just weird to me. But again, I hope you're coming to save the day. I hope this is not a swift end of Europe, but the biggest thing in my head right now actually is off cameras. Like, if I'm Putin, do you. Do you throw a shout out? I feel if I'm Putin, you at least have to. You got to test the waters. You got to do something like, well.
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Unknown A
Coming into this, he was shooting ballistic missiles at Ukraine, obviously in protest. I'm sure he doesn't want President Trump meeting with Zelensky. This is obviously absolutely terrible for Zelensky's position because Putin now knows that he's being hung out to dry by the US if you're going to push the maximum advantage, you certainly make a move. But if Trump has any sense whatsoever, he's going to back channel to Putin and say, don't fucking do it. Do not use this as an opportunity. I just don't know if Trump is going to have as a invisible North Star that I'm the bigger man than Zelensky. And Zelensky needs to get slapped around by Putin to see that, you're going to need to come crawling back to me. I will fucking hate everything about that. That is a level of grotesque to me. History will judge us all. There is no doubt about that.
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Unknown A
If Trump can be the bigger man, put it aside and get this fucking deal done. History will remember him well. If he can't, everyone is going to go, trump, you're the leader of the biggest superpower. This was your opportunity to be the bigger man. Not posture like the bigger man. Not beat your chest like you're insecure. So there is an idea that I. Invisible goals where somebody is driven by something that they would. They probably never articulate to themselves. They would certainly never articulate to anybody else. If you ask him what he thinks, he's going to say over and over, I just want to end this war, but I cannot do business with somebody like this. He's got so much vitreal for Putin. He does not understand what a negotiation is. And he's not wrong. What the. Does it matter? Like, you have to say, okay, cool.
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Unknown A
He was acting like a kid. Like, literally, if he did what I was saying and just go, this is not going anywhere. The way that you're acting is not going to get this deal done. Guys, I need the cameras out of the room. We're going to go. We're going to negotiate this behind closed doors. We are going to get this deal signed. We are going to stop the bloodshed. If he did that, Jesus, man. People would see this guy's not for fucking play. He's not going to tolerate the bullshit, but he's also not going to get sucked into this emotionally. And it's like, God damn it. To be both right and then foolish at the same time is stupid because he is correct. Donald Trump is correct. He has all the cards. Zelensky has fuck all. If he doesn't have the U.S. zelensky himself said Europe is probably not in as far as they would be if the US Isn't on board.
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Unknown A
You just pissed him off. So he's now going to say, hey, kid, whatever happens, happens. In fact, he said multiple times, you guys are going to duke out. If we can't do a deal, you're going to fight it out. You're going to fight it out. You're going to fight it out. So it's like, man, you got to get the deal done. But this is literally the very thing that makes these three capable of getting to the position that they're in is the very thing that fucks them up when they're on the one yard line.
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Unknown B
And the White House just released this statement directly from Trump. We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today. Much was learned that can never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure. It's amazing what comes out through a motion. And I've determined that President Zelensky is not ready for peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations. I don't want advantage. I want peace. He disrespected the United States of America in his cherished office. He could come back when he's ready for peace.
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Unknown A
President Donald J. Trump, man, the stakes could not be higher right now. I really hope that everyone gets cooler heads, that they come back to the table, that they don't send him back and say, come back in, you know, a month or whatever, that they chill, they get back in the room. But at least based on what's going on in social media, I don't see it happening. I know Zelensky is going to do some news interviews later today, so we'll see if he takes a conciliatory posture. It's possible, but it's going to be hard for him to eat that kind of crow because it's all out in the public, boys and girls. I'm so curious to see how people take the idea that Zelensky does not understand the 48 laws of power well enough. But I'm telling you right now, the world works in a certain way.
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Unknown A
And when you blind yourself to it, act like it doesn't matter, misunderstand it, any of those, you, you fail to get to the outcome that you want to get to. I will often say, and this really riles people up, you know you did the right thing because you got the result you wanted. You know you did the wrong thing when you got the result you didn't want. But the battle on social media is going to be who was quote unquote, right and wrong. They're all wrong because all of them had a stated objective coming into this and none of them got what they wanted. So again, invisible goals. When people are steering by something else, then you get these crazy fucking outcomes. Instead of saying literally in the moment, emotions are asking yourself, what am I trying to get out of this? Am I on a path to getting it?
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Unknown A
No. Reset your emotions. But people can't do it. We'll get back to the show in a second, but first let's talk about something that's on everybody's mind. The dollar is not what it used to be. The markets are more unstable than ever, with way too many variables changing at once. And if you're paying attention, you know, traditional investment strategies might not be enough anymore. That's why I want to tell you about today's sponsor, American Alternative Assets. They specialize in helping investors diversify with gold, a nice, finite, inflation resistant physical asset that's preserved wealth for thousands of years. Now, what stands out about American Alternative Assets for me is how simple they make it. You can transfer or even rollover funds from your existing retirement accounts, 401ks or IRAs, without selling your assets, taxes and penalties if you're ready to explore gold as a part of your investment strategy.
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Unknown B
Very good.
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Unknown F
Constant comparison of 1938 and the appeasement of Hitler in 1938. Nobody did anything. The UK didn't do anything. France did do anything to help Czechoslovakia. Right now we've given this guy three years of bloody war in the Ukraine. He is not even winning against the Ukraine. And we should be scared in Europe against this army coming in.
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Unknown C
Oh, good, boss. You're good, you're good.
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Unknown F
I don't see the threat in Russia. The next big war that might be coming is one between China and the United States. If EU is dragged into that war, I would see an issue. I see an issue fighting 1.3 billion Chinese. I don't see an issue fighting 110 million Russians. So if Trump doesn't want us, the EU and the UK to be into NATO, if he wants to break that up, that's not such a big deal for us. Why? Because he's going to be on his own if he picks a fight with China. I'm also sick and tired of this comes from comparison.
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Unknown A
Yeah. So here's where I think a lot of people hate my take on Ukraine and Russia, but this is why I have my take on Ukraine and Russia. War is so much death, so much destroyed treasure. It is war is a level of devastation on the local economy, the local geography, the demographics, the tragedy of all those lives. And so again, I understand, if it were my, if it were California that were taken over by the Chinese, I would feel the same way. But you really do want to step back and say, how do we off ramp this thing? How do we stop all these lives from being lost? And when you start hearing people in the EU talking like that, like, hey, we're ready to throw down with Russia, like it is what it is. We're not going to let this guy bully us.
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Unknown A
We're going to stand up to it. Oh, and by the way, if America is losing their stomach and they're going to leave us here to deal with this. And that is certainly Trump's rhetoric. We've got a big, beautiful ocean. Let me tell you how fast EU is going to be like, yeah, well, we got a big, beautiful ocean and your whole continent between us and China, you deal with it. And so I think people that criticize Trump for not being thoughtful enough with his allies, because he's feeling pretty big right now.
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Unknown B
Yeah.
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Unknown A
But if this becomes a world war, which I want to remind everybody, this is why you want to de escalate this, why you want to wrap this up, even if we have to make concessions on Ukraine. But it's like, we want to get this back to stable. We want to bring this back to peace. You want to find a way to say, okay, look, for real, we're not going to fuck around with NATO. We're not going to push it up to your border. Russia, chill. Then we can focus on, like, can we use diplomacy to keep us versus China a cold war, or are we actually going to let this get kinetic? But I will remind everybody, Xi, when he has a chance, is telling everybody not taking Taiwan back. I'm not asking, I'm telling you. So it's not like people that say that are popping off.
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Unknown A
Xi himself keep saying it. So, yeah, I want to see Russia, Ukraine brought to peace. They're going to have to be concessions. I do not want to see Trump being a dick and bully Ukraine. It's like, that was a deal that was made. Look forward. If he wants additional funding. Yes. Get the mineral rights. I love that. I love it being good for America. I love there being an exchange. I also think it's a way better negotiating position if Ukraine is strong, because America's like, fuck you. We now have a financial incentive to keep helping these guys. So Russia, back the fuck off. Even if that means that we then don't get any mineral rights because we didn't have to fund them. I'm totally fine with that. So, anyway, we'll see. But this is. This is not a time to dig your heels in and say, for very understandable reasons, I'm not willing to concede anything.
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Unknown B
Yeah. And honestly, this is a perfect segue into our next story, because I feel like we have a war happening internally, and I think the country's not even united enough for us to go into an actual war. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, we can't take on 1.3 billion Chinese if we don't even agree with the 30 million people who voted. Sam Altman released 4.5. And I just feel like this is a very timely Release. I think Rock3 was getting. Getting a lot of buzz. 3.7 was getting a lot of buzz. All it was like, I'm sitting on these models, I gotta get this one out. So. But I wanted to bring it up because he said it's not a giant expensive model, but more so this is a humanistic model. So I wanted to know what you thought about that kind of change in description and kind of how we're benchmarking these new releases.
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Unknown A
Well, he said something slightly different. What he said was, this is an incredibly expensive model, but it isn't one. It's not like a whole new training model where you're going to expect it to crush new benchmarks and things like that. It's not going to be benchmarks. And so what he's saying is that this is a better form of intelligence. It's more thoughtful. So I think he's right about that. This is like when somebody goes to lose weight and all they're thinking about is I want to make sure that the number on the scale goes down. People looking at these AIs, the way that they're interpreting, whether this is a step forward is a very concrete metric of saying all the different benchmarks that we're gonna run an AI through, how does it perform on those? And I think he's right to pump the brakes and say that's not the right way to validate certainly this model.
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Unknown A
But I would say it's probably not the right way to validate any model. You want to look at the outputs that it gives you and say, is this a more for now human like output where somebody would be like, whoa, this now feels like I have access to an incredibly intelligent human that will do whatever I ask them. And the early stuff that I've seen, I've played with 4.5, but not a lot yet, but I've seen other people's outputs. And I will say, approaching it from the perspective of writing it, really the cheesiness that you would often find in even oh one is gone. So it if what they. The real breakthrough of 4.5 is a more if inference led thing where instead of just giving me the average of everything that the. The model has encountered on the Internet, the. The median is always going to be lame, right?
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Unknown A
It's going to be the average of all these people. If what they've been able to do with this is to say, okay, here's all of life's information, but here's the stuff that's really good. And so start waiting towards the things that are really thoughtful. That is going to be a huge step forward. Because right now I think anybody using AI is going to look at it go, it's not there yet. I can't just turn it loose and have it do a thing. Like, I worked with 01 on an outline for our screenplay and it did a phenomenal job of giving me the outline, but it did a terrible job of actually scripting scenes because every time I would have it write a scene, it'd be really cheesy. And so then I would have to go in and like rewrite it to remove all the cheese.
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Unknown A
And then I would ask it like, hey, can you see the difference between what you wrote and what I wrote? And it would give me the most incredible breakdown of what I had done differently. And then I would say, oh, my God, that is exactly right. You're even picking up on things that I wouldn't have been able to articulate.
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Unknown B
Chat like the cues.
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Unknown A
And yes, like, you, you leaned on this thing. You planted something at the beginning of the conversation that paid off. You created this tension, comedic tension, by doing this and that escalates and you finally relieve that at the end of the scene. And all of that made it feel better than the version that I wrote, which was far too straightforward and a little bit cheesy. So, like, it gets the whole thing. And then I'd be like, okay, and now go write this next scene remembering all of that stuff. And it would hand me back a cheesy pile of shit. And so I'm like, it understands the difference, but because it's just taking the average of everything it's ever seen, it still then feeds you this really basic thing, which means that the critics that it encounters are very good at identifying what's bad, but it's not able to apply that to a new novel thing.
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Unknown A
The early stuff I've seen, and again, this is very early, so it's going to be super cherry picked. And so just like, you can make image to video models look amazing and then you try to do it, it's like, this is ridiculous. Uh, so it's entirely possible that as I play with it more, I'll find, like, no, no, there's still a ton of problems here, but the early stuff is very compelling because it doesn't have that cheesiness. And so I was like, whoa, now will I say it's all the way to like a really top tier writer? Probably not. I don't have those kind of hopes, but the sense of it being a far more thoughtful human, that resonates now. I think it's worth showing the Richard Feynman's son, whose first name I'm blanking right now, but you'll pull that up.
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Unknown B
Carl.
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Unknown A
Carl. Thank you. This is pretty interesting when you get to that. Like, are we at AGI? This, this one fascinated me.
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Unknown B
So his original tweet was that the master thesis in 1986, modeling the appearance of cloth. It took library research and cleverness and originality and months of work in days of time on big computers. Now I'm out, done by an AI in a few minutes. They still pay me, but for how long? This is somebody's entire job in 1986. And they boop, boop, boop, go.
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Unknown A
Yeah. So this, this is what's going to happen now. I want everybody to remember, as an act of faith, believe that the future is going to be better than today, that, yes, it's going to be disorienting for a minute to realize, oh, the thing that I was putting all my time and energy into, like, that's not really that necessary anymore. But I've started thinking about this. Like, my phase one as a YouTuber was all about mindset, because that's what everyone was asking me. And so I started making all this mindset content is performing really well. I started getting really bored. And also just a gazillion other people start saying the same things. So you start going, well, even just from I want to feel alive perspective, this isn't fun to do anymore. And it's now so common, it's gonna be able to find this anywhere.
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Unknown A
And so that pushed me into a new area. And then Covid pushes me into a new area again. And so each of those times it was disruptive, actually hurts the channel temporarily, but then ultimately every time has unlocked like a whole new level, which is exactly what I'm hoping. Now, we've obviously completely changed the way that we approach the channel, and of course it's gonna hurt it in the beginning. And then the hope is that in the long run, this has. I mean, this has allowed me to stay relevant for almost a decade. And so will it unlock something new. So that would be the thing I would wanna pitch to Carl and to everybody else that's gonna have these moments of existential crisis where it's like, yes, back in 1986, that's what it took. And yes, putting the smartest minds on getting cloth simulation inside of a video game.
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Unknown A
Like it was A. A thesis, a doctoral thesis. It was a ton of work. It did require all that cleverness. But now, Carl, as one of the sharpest minds in the world, you're no longer going to be stuck having to simulate cloth. You're going to be able to do something else. And so the, the goal isn't to get focused on what we're losing. The goal is to focus on, now, what are we getting? So I've been engaging with the development team on Project Kaizen, saying, hey, guys, I really think that AI is getting there. We need to start using this. And so I asked them this morning, like, to what degree is AI helping you? They said, it's created a 40 efficiency increase already. Already, man. And so they were giving me this breakdown, like, for every technical challenge I would hit. I used to have to go to Google, read a whole bunch of different things, assimilate what is right.
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Unknown A
And now I can just tell the AI, write the code, I still have to tweak some of it, but I don't have to go, like, figure out what the solve is. Like, it already knows. It gives me the code, it's mostly there, and then I make a couple tweaks and we're ready to go. That kind of thing is transformative. But if you, if you start having that existential crisis of like, oh, God, but the very thing that I was good at was going and using Google and figuring that stuff out and assimilating it and turning it into code. And so now do I even matter? If you get lost in that, you're going to get passed by the guy that's like, bro, I don't even have to, like, do all of that anymore. I can just get the code, make my tweaks, and now be efficient, now have taste.
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Unknown A
And this, to me is the big thing. Whether it's class simulations, whether it's game design, whether it's running a large manufacturing facility, you have to be the one with the quote, unquote taste that understands which option is better than the next. And if people focus on that, you're not going to get lost in the low level anymore. This is now elevating your game and wildly extending how much you can get done in the number of hours that you have awake. I think people start to get really excited.
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Unknown B
No, I agree. And it seems like we're on a cusp of something now because we're starting to see all these breakthroughs in different areas. And I appreciate that this AI arms race is holding each developer accountable. So now ChatGPT has to come up with a new thing that's more relatable and somebody has to push the boundary on apps. And we're keep going. And I think we're also seeing parallels in the quantum space now because Amazon just released their next Quantum computer, Oscillate, our first quantum computing chip, tracking one of the field's biggest hurdles, error correction. With up to 90 lower correction overhead, we're bringing Quantum systems closer to reality. And I think specifically it's interesting to me from Amazon's perspective that they're a web services company, they're a fulfillment company. Their need for Quantum will be much different than Microsoft or much different than Google's.
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Unknown B
So it's also just how AI and the models were seeing differentiations where Claude might be better at this type of coding and Grant might have this type of personality. We're starting to see those differentiations happening in the quantum sector as well.
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Unknown A
Yeah, this is a, an idea that people should really begin thinking about, which is evolutionary pressures. So when you get the, the competition going, you're going to get a lot more innovation. This is why I think anybody that has a job like mine should put their values out on the table. So you can understand the thing that I steer towards now. I believe the very thing that makes human lives better is innovation. Full stop, Period. End of story. When you look at the timeline of humanity, it's, it is about innovation. Innovation is the very thing that makes people's lives better. It is the thing that pulls them out of poverty. It is the thing that allows us to have billions of people on the planet. So innovation is the thing. And when you, when you start deregulating and you allow for this competition to happen, because remember, the Biden administration was, they said directly to Mark Andreessen, one of the greatest capital allocators of our time, they said, don't even bother investing in AI companies.
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Unknown A
We are not going to allow them to exist. This is going to be one or two companies that we have control of. And the Trump administration's coming and said, no, no, no, totally different. Like, we want to really widen this out. You've got J.D. vance talking about, this is only about safety. This is about innovation. Innovation is where this is really going to happen. And now what you're talking about is as you begin to allow these places to compete, whether it's in quantum computing, whether it's in AI models, you start seeing this race to, like, be better, to capture the audience, to get the economic share. And that desire to win unleashes the best of Humanity. Now, that doesn't mean you want no regulation. It doesn't mean that there aren't things we have to protect ourselves from. There absolutely are, and we absolutely must. But if you can be light touch, if you can have sensible regulation, then you get the evolutionary pressures to achieve an outcome that the public wants and is willing to pay for.
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Unknown A
And when you create an outcome that they want, they're willing to pay for, that is an indication that you're making their life better. And so the capital then flows to those people that have proven they've been able to do that, and they just keep eating up market share by delivering something that the world wants. And as long as you don't end up in a monopolistic situation, which is exactly why you want some regulation. Now, you get this where the consumer gets better and better stuff because of that competition. So I'm very excited to see both. Amazon has its own needs, and so there are evolutionary pressures for them to develop new things that Microsoft has their own needs, and so they're developing and everybody's learning from everybody else. And it really. I mean, this is. If you can control the understandable anxiety of the rate of change, which many will not be able to, but if you can control that anxiety.
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Unknown A
This is so exciting. Like, it's really exciting. For the first time in a long time, I now find myself wanting to make physical things. Like, I don't just want to be in the media business, because the things that are becoming possible are so thrilling that you just want to meet the moment and make that thing. Um, so I'm very excited by the major leaps. And this. The 90% reduction in error on Quantum is a huge breakthrough. So it's very exciting.
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Unknown B
Yeah, I think when I first started playing with AI, it was always like, how can I make things? How can I get a time schedule? How can it organize a spreadsheet for me? How can it read, you know, summarize this bill? But I think the more I'm starting to play around with, the more I'm like, oh, I can make an app specifically for me, or, oh, I can now.
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Unknown A
Not only can you did.
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Unknown B
Yeah, but it's like that possibility to kind of flip the switch in my head that makes it now feel personal. So instead of, it's like, okay, I have this app to do what they want. It's like, no, my goal right now is I have a fitness journey. Run the fitness thing, join the fitness challenge, join our lives.
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Unknown A
Go.
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Unknown B
So it's one of those things where it's like, okay, I have this journey I need to get to over the next 12 weeks. How can I do it? Okay, let me build this tool to help me do it. And you start to realize that I think the conversation around AI Is almost perverted too, where everybody's worried about the robots taking the jobs, but it's like, no, no, no. What do you need to get done this week? What's your grocery list? What do you need to like and organize that? Like, let's use AI to do things like help us on the ground level. And that just kind of. It blew my mind since kind of looking at it from that perspective.
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Unknown A
I love that, man. And I think that people need to know you're not a coder, and yet you were able to make a custom app in a style and gamification level that you found super engaging, and you made it with A.I. like, you're right. That that is the way to look at this.
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Unknown B
Yeah, 100%. All right. Jumping into political news, Bukele said, if you don't impeach the corrupt judges, you cannot fix the country. They will form a cartel, a judiciary dictatorship, and block all reforms protecting the systematic corruption that put them in their seats. This was in response to Elon Musk tweeting that the only way to restore rule of the people in America is to impeach judges. No one is above the law, including the judges. Now, I wanted to start with the tweets because I no one get into political territory. It can seem like it's an us versus them or a territorial kind of debate. But I thought that this is very kind of nuanced because we just seen somebody who literally just fixed the country from corruption, from decreased crime, and he's showing how he did it. And now when Elon Musk puts that level out there, we automatically kind of default to our political corners.
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Unknown B
So I want to kind of put this in front of you in this way to kind of see what your take on the approach to fixing corruption and then how America might be able to see it with a bit more nuance than what we're typically used to. From red team, blue team.
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Unknown A
Okay, Here. First, I want to paint the picture of what this moment feels like so people feel seen before we get to what the way forward is, what this feels like for a lot of people, because I reacted some kind of way when I heard this, and it's like somebody saying, hey, you have a cancerous tumor. Now everybody knows we have a cancerous tumor right there. There is dysfunction in the government, no matter what side you're on. Certainly during the Biden administration, you have the Republicans crying foul. Now, during the Trump administration, you have the Democrats crying file. So everybody agrees that we have a problem. They just disagree on how to solve it. And so this tweet to anybody that fears authoritarian rule, you know, okay, well, wait. Checks and balances. That's the name of the game. You. You want the three branches of government.
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Unknown A
The three branches of government are exactly what protected us from a dictatorship this whole time as American Americans. And you begin realizing that a Constitution doesn't matter. What matters is whether people uphold the constitution or not. So it's often been pointed out that on paper, the. The Russian regime under Stalin had the most democratic constitution ever. He just didn't listen to it. He killed anybody that disagreed with him. So what this moment feels like is somebody saying, you have a cancerous tumor. I have a big bowie knife. Let me just cut it out. You're like, hold on, that's gonna kill me. And so it's very different to see a guy that you imagine not a fucking doctor walking towards you with a big knife that he grabbed out of the woodshed. And it's like, I'm just going to cut that thing out of you. You're like, no, you're not.
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Unknown A
You're using that as an excuse to stab me to death. And me, in this case, being the democracy. And so I get why people's alarm bells are sounding, and people's alarm bells should sound. And this is exactly the kind of thing. I'm not close enough to what was going on with Netanyahu in Israel, but my understanding at a distance was this is exactly the kind of thing that he was doing, was saying that the judiciary has become corrupt there. I don't know if he would use those words, but they're overreaching, that they've gone too far. This is not what our government was the way that it was meant to be structured. They have too much power. I'm just trying to rewrite the ship and get us back to where we were. And there were people in the streets being like, no, this is the guy that's rapping for power.
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Unknown A
And that is the wonderful little cover story that he's putting on top of this. And so that's how I think a lot of people are going to read this moment, where it's like, yes, we agree that there is a problem. Whether we agree that judges are the problem or not is another question. But let's even say that we do agree that the judges are the Problem. We're not going to agree on what judges. We're not going to agree on the right way forward. We're never going to agree who should get the wheel of the scalpel exactly where they should be cutting. We're not going to trust them to be robotically precise. Certainly, I think people are going to take exception with Musk because known for moving fast and breaking things and saying, oh, don't worry, we can just put the judges back if we take out the wrong ones.
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Unknown A
And people like, what? Like, no, you cannot. Like, you can't start playing with the foundations of democracy and just act like you can put Humpty Dumpty back together. If you smash Humpty Dumpty with a hammer, it's never gonna be the same again. And so we are now in my territory of like, my alarm bells are going off and I'm like, okay, I'm not even saying what you're saying is untrue. I agree we have a cancer. I'll even agree that maybe it really is with the judges. But whoa, am I gonna want you to go nice and slow? I'm gonna want you to use a scalpel. Yeah, like, holy hell. So this is where I, I said, before Trump got into office, my nightmare was having the executive branch, the House, the Senate, and the Judiciary all on the same team. Because while I understand that gridlock is frustrating, I also really believe that the framers of the Constitution had the right idea.
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Unknown A
And that was, you've got to check power every which way. So we have to be really careful. Like, even if they have good intentions, you can break something and have a hard time putting it back together. So I both don't want corrupt judges and I don't want to impeach people so hard so fast that we end up with an executive that isn't being checked. And we can find ourselves in that situation if we're not very careful.
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Unknown B
Yeah, this is one of those situations I'm watching very closely where it's already being kind of flagged that Elon is doing this for his own self fulfilling interest. We haven't seen that quite yet.
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Unknown A
We'll get back to the show in a moment, but first, I want to talk about a problem that I'm guessing you were currently dealing with in your back pocket. And one thing that I absolutely refuse to do is carry around a bulky leather brick that puts my personal security at risk. And that's why I am excited about Ridge. While most people are walking around with their credit cards completely exposed to digital theft, Ridge's RFID blocking technology makes that impossible. Let their airtag attachment make your life better. It will tell you exactly where it is every single time. The design is ruthlessly efficient. 12 cards plus cash fit in the slimmest profile possible. It comes with a lifetime warranty. And right now, Ridge is having their once a year anniversary sale get up to 40% off@ridge.com again. Just head to ridge.com impact to see their biggest sale of the year.
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Unknown A
And after you purchase, they're gonna ask you where you heard about them. Please support the show and tell them that I sent you. And now let's get back to the show.
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Unknown B
But to your point, when you guys.
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Unknown A
Talk about the FAA thing, that's right.
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Unknown B
Where I was going with this because it's one thing to take about the judges. It's one thing talk about government efficiency. But then now that there's this ffa, he might have a new contract. It's like, okay, I gave you the benefit of doubt here. I give you benefit of the doubt here. If the FAA thing is true, then it can very much be that he was always corrupt and he was, oh, this is always who he was. And I can see a lot of people waving the finger and saying, I told you so from the beginning. You just chose not to pay attention or not to listen. So I'm nervous for him because I'm like, I thought the motives were pure, but it seemed like the closer we get to it, the longer this plays out. We're starting to see those changes.
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Unknown A
So this is why we have to slap the James Vernon button. So no one is pure. Let's just take even I, I care very much about what gets more views. Right. So if I saw that the show was getting fewer and fewer views, I'd be like, oh, we have to change something. So everybody has a motive. There's nothing wrong with having motives. Where it becomes problematic is if you start hiding things, lying about things, whatever. Take the faa. We really seem to have a problem right now. And I think that Elon is one of the greatest technologists alive, so he probably is going to create a better system. So Starlink really might be the right answer. Look at Boeing versus what he's been able to do with SpaceX. Yeah. So it's, you're in this really fascinating thing where it's like you have one of the greatest capital allocators of all time, one of the greatest technologists of all time going into your government, pointing out all these problems.
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Unknown A
Now, if he really has made a superior technology, it shouldn't matter that he's the guy saying, hey, this is a problem. We should use my technology. Either his technology is better or it's not. But people are rightfully gonna scream. You want people to scream to make sure that we stop and look at this and actually make sure that it is the better technology. You don't want people just being like, no, no, trust me, it's all good. It's like this is a trust but verify. So this is why you have checks and balances. It is a very good thing. I'm very glad that even though I'm not going to scream over his technology because I have a default assumption that his is going to be better, but because I don't know that I'm right, I really want people to squawk and I really want people to look at this.
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Unknown A
But people absolutely should not assume that just because Verizon doesn't have the kind of visible presence in the government that they're the right people to have that contract. First of all, they could have untold number of lobbies that got them to have that contract in the first place. Second of all, government contracts tend to not suffer environmental pressure. So they're not being forced to evolve and get better. They get a contracts and that's that they lobby. Yeah. So planes are falling, crashing, turning over. And not just in America. So you can't blame the United accident. I think it was United One in Canada where they landed, flip over. And that had nothing to do with us. So at the same time something is going wrong. So getting a superior technology in there is the right answer. Making sure that Musk has to do something to prove that that really is a superior technology is the right answer.
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Unknown A
Not bogging it down in unnecessary red tape so that these changes never happen is also the right answer. And so all of this stuff is trade offs. So people should be paranoid, people should be looking for proof. But people also should not just default to see, I told you he's corrupt.
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Unknown B
Yeah, it'll be, it's so it'll be easier to. Especially looking at the cabinet meeting where he's giving a, he's giving a speech for the whole committee. And I'll let you, I'll let you hear.
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Unknown A
Well, before that, I really want to expand on what you're saying. It will be easier to. It will be easier to see what's going on because the level of transparency in this government is orders of magnitude greater than anything I have seen in my nearly 50 years of life. This is incredible. Now part of it is just. Trump is a TV personality. He wants to be on camera all the time. So God bless it. It allows us to judge for ourselves whether we think these guys are being honest, telling the truth, whatever. It was utterly fascinating to see the dynamic in the room. I get why people want to be president. Everybody has to genuflect. They have to defer to you. You're the most important guy in the room. It is hilarious to see all of these guys, like, hiding between every word is this sense of, I serve the pleasure of the president.
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Unknown A
But yeah, it's very interesting. All right, pull it. Recovery. Yeah. So, I mean, look, he is so right that this is why I'm glad that we have the best minds of our generation in this cabinet. But that does not automatically mean that they will only do things are good. Um, and so this is why you have the press, this is why you have scrutiny. This is why I love that we're able to see this stuff in real time happening, giving people a lens into it so they can squawk at the very specific things that they see that they think are problematic, I think is incredibly important. All right, really fast. And then we have some breaking news, but really fast. Show the Milton Friedman clip, because this dovetails perfectly with that Elon clip. Keep your eye on one thing and one thing only. How much government is spending, because that's a true tax.
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Unknown A
Every budget is balanced. There is no such thing as a balanced federal budget. You're paying for it. If you're not paying for through the form of explicit taxes, you're paying for indirectly in the form of inflation or.
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Unknown B
In the form of border.
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Unknown A
The thing is to keep your eye on is what government spends. And the real problem is to hold down government spending as a fraction of earning.
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Unknown B
And if you do it, you can.
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Unknown A
Stop worrying about that. Yeah. So this is Milton Friedman, one of the greatest economists of all time. I mean, just an absolute sharp, sharp, sharp mind. And I mean, needless to say, I beat this drum all the time. Inflation is a tax that you. If we spend more than we intake in taxes, it is still coming out of your pocket in the form of the invisible taxes. They call it inflation. This money is being taxed. And hey, for everybody that wants the rich to pay their share, everybody is tax proportionate to the amount of money that they have. So I've explained this a gazillion times. You still get the flywheel of the rich get richer and the poor get poorer because the rich own assets, but everybody's dollars are taxed at the Pro rata rate. So however many dollars you have, you lose that much buying power.
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Unknown A
But as people can see, it doesn't make the problem better. It makes the problem worse. So anyway, do you have a favorite Gene Hackney movie? I have probably. The Conversation is my favorite. But he's been in so many incredible movies. What a legend. And what a weird way to go out.
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Unknown B
Yeah. So starting with that. Recipes to Gene Hackman, his wife, and his dog.
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Unknown A
We're found. Look, it's probably going to be something like the. Well, so they've ruled out carbon monoxide. That would be my first go to. They said they're prescription drugs around. So my gut is that, like, the dog got into it or something. Like, they all got into it. The only question is the conspiracy. Tinfoil hat was it? Gene Hackman is old and dying, wife is like, I'm going out with you. And then they drop some of the dog just gobbles a few. Like, I could see it being something like that, but yikes. No matter what it is, man. Very sad. Very sad.
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Unknown B
Yeah, Crimson tie, Probably be mine. Enemy of the State was a good one, too. I'm pulling up Jean Hanging movies right now. But, yes, it's just sad to just see. I guess it's poetic in Romeo and Juliet. Wife and wife and husband.
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Unknown A
This is my wife's whole thing. She's always said if I die, she wants to go with me. And I'm like, time out. Let me be very clear. I'm not committing suicide. If you die, I will be devastated, Drew. I would be devastated. Truly, to my core. I love my wife more. You can imagine. But if. If there was an apocalypse and it killed absolutely everybody but me, I would still want to be the one that survived. Like, I don't understand. I don't want everyone to die, but I also don't want my light to be extinguished. Even if I have suffering. This too shall pass.
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Unknown B
Police in northern Colorado have arrested Lucy Grace Nelson for allegedly vandalizing a Tesla dealership and planting bombs. Like, if this was back in, like, the early 2000s and the 90s, this would have been a terror, like domestic terrorism. Like, this is crazy to me. And yet rhetoric has caused this. Like, yes, Elon Musk might have fired some people, but to turn into, like, to point bombs at a dealership is crazy to me. Or maybe I just have a.
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Unknown A
No, no.
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Unknown B
We stomach for things like this.
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Unknown A
Well, thankfully, hopefully a lot of people have a weak stomach for this because, yes, this is horrible. It is literally just terrorism. It's not going to change the situation in the slightest. But when Elon says he's getting death threats, he's certainly not kidding. As you see stuff like this, it is pretty bananas. Yeah, it. I will need to know more about the story. If mental illness is involved, which oftentimes it is in attacks like this, who knows? But yeah, it's, it's not good. And this will not take America where we want to go. This is why everybody needs to be pushing themselves towards the middle, not driving up, not going farther and farther apart. It's. It's not the play. Not. It's not the play at any time. It is certainly not the play when you have a pure competitor who's just waiting for you to own goal.
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Unknown B
Nice. And then last but not least in local news, well, national news locally, the People's Union has organized an economic Blackout for today, February 28th. What started as a grassroots rebellion against the DEI restrictions has blossomed into something that's fighting against corporate greed and profits. So I appreciate the ability of people making decisions with their money because to me, money and attention is the things that you are willingly contributing to. Like I hated all the people who hated Jeff Bezos but had an Amazon prime account. You know, if you don't like them, cancel your account and walk to the store and go do these other things, you know. So I appreciate people putting their money where their mouth is. If you have a problem with this person, you have a problem with this party economically, ice them out.
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Unknown A
What's the beef here though? This is people saying we want more DEI policies.
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Unknown B
No, the beef here is just again going against corporate greed in general. But it did start off as a counterbalance to when they began to restrict DEI funding in different corporate like entities.
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Unknown A
So my understanding, admittedly, I don't know a lot about this, but my understanding is it's called a blackout because it was at least started as the African American community coming together in solidarity to say that moving away from DEI policies is a bullshit move. And we want to reinforce that. We want to see that. Am I reading the situation correctly?
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Unknown B
Yes, but I think it has evolved because people are starting to realize that it's not just the EI that they have a problem with. It's price gouging during the pandemic.
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Unknown A
It's corporations, people end up themselves up. This is exactly what happened with Occupy Wall Street. They didn't know what they wanted. If you're going to do something like this, you gotta have a real fucking clear message. So I know as the person that you're Protesting against, oh, this is what I need to do to give you what you want. If this is just blanket like you, I'm not gonna walk in your store. And I'm like, wait, why? And you're like, because all kinds of things. Then it's like, oh, Jesus, I don't even know how to, like, help. So now people just end up, what is this?
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Unknown B
And now, this way, I'm just going to Twitter and linking, for example.
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Unknown A
So what ends up happening is because you don't have very clear aims. You've taken a hostage, but you've given no terms. And so now I'm like, okay, either I'm just gonna wait you out and I'm wait until you give the hostage back because you realize you're not gonna get anything for it, or I just send the troops in because you, like, you're not giving me a way out of this. So people have got to have a very clear message. This is why the civil rights were able to actually get their shit done. First of all, they were. They had very clear aims. We want equality, plain and simple. I want to be fucking equal under the law. That's it. I don't want any of this. Jim Pro. Like, it doesn't matter what the color of my skin is. I'm a fucking person. And that's that.
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Unknown A
End of story. No asterisks, no fucking loopholes. Just people are people. Period. End of story. Cool. That's very simple. And I'm either willing to do it or I'm not. This is all over the map. And so now you're back to Occupy Wall street and it just fizzles out because you. You don't have a leader, which I'm gonna guess if this is a DEI thing, it's so tied to Marxism that being a leader is problematic in and of itself. That's how humans work. James Burnham. James Burnham. There's always going to be a group of elites. Where's the mlk? Like, you need a guy that stands up and gives the fucking speech that everybody then rallies behind and goes, yo, I will fucking follow this guy and be bitten by dogs and get the hose on me. And because he told me not to fight back, I'm not going to.
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Unknown A
And the images are going to go everywhere and the world is going to wake up to this. Feels disgusting. I don't want to be a part of this. And it actually works. But if you don't have the guy that everybody's going to get behind, you're. And this will be torn apart in Fact, I just heard this. Another random thing that I didn't realize was going to stick to me. Saw an interview with one of the lawyers for mlk and they were trying to get him on tax evasion. And I was like, what? They tried to get MLK on tax evasion. And I was just like, yes, this is how the system works. They are going to come at you in a thousand different ways. It's like debanking for people that run to Web3 and they're just going to fucking make your life miserable and, or kill you or both.
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Unknown A
So you. You've got to get rid of the Marxist shit is just dumb. So even looking at Mao, okay, Mao, one of the most evil people ever lived, killed a whole lot of fucking people. But homeboy was a genius and so he was able to win this very fascinating military victory. He lied to his people and then fucking murdered him en masse. But at least he knew what to tell them to get them motivated. He gave them a single person to rally behind, a single idea. You got to do it, man. You've got to do it. So even the Marxists don't use Marxism when they really want to seize power.
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Unknown B
So yes, dude, you have to have.
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Unknown A
An elite group of people that are like, I'm the fucking guy, I'm Timothy, and everybody fall in line behind me. So anyway, if any group wants to really make change, come up with a very short list of things. This is the outcome that we're. That we want. Give us leadership that we can get behind. That paints a picture of something that really fills me with pride and makes me want to do the thing and then lean on the history of the movements that work. Either are so violent they win a decisive military victory. You want to know what that looks like? Israel v. Gaza. Doesn't matter whether they were right or wrong, but God damn, did they fucking bomb them into smithereens. So decisive military victory. This is definitely not me calling for violence. I fucking hate that. But I don't want to lie and pretend that's not an option.
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Unknown A
So you've got decisive military victory or the moral high ground. What Mahatma Gandhi did, a very imperfect character. What MLK did, also imperfect character, but they understood. Oh, if you can get the imagery of people being bitten by dogs and sprayed with hoses just for the color of their skin, everyone's stomach turns and people go, yeah, I can't be a part of that. But this in between, not gonna get you very far.
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Unknown B
Poor organizational skills is the downfall of a lot of movements.
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Unknown A
Yes, but it's so much more.
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Unknown B
I feel like, yeah, that's what. That's what sums it up.
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Unknown A
Because give me somebody to get behind. That's even more like the organizational part.
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Unknown B
Because if you don't know what you want, you don't know where you're going, you don't know how long it will last.
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Unknown A
Inspire me. That's what's missing. Inspire me.
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Unknown B
Make me feel it.
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Unknown A
Yeah.
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Unknown B
He just brought up.
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Unknown A
Oh, yeah, yeah.
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Unknown B
Mother Teresa even. I don't even know where her movement was, but everybody felt sorry for her.
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Unknown A
So I think that one might be outside this. And I know. Shout out to. I don't know.
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Unknown B
That's all I got.
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Unknown A
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Unknown B
Peace.
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Unknown A
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